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Can digitalsoundboyadmin or shy fx explain something to me>>

I know you visit this message board from time to time so I thought I would ask this question.

I've been here in this country for 12 years and i've come to know almost every single uk dnb artist (including yourself) that has toured in america. I also know 99% of the US veteran dj's and producers that have worked really hard over the years to make a name for themselves.

Today I was looking over pictures taken during this year's Ultra Music Festival in Miami and I came across this picture which I didn't understand.



How is it possible for a female dj from Canada that i've never heard of in the 12 years i've been involved in this music to get a slot on the dnb stage at Ultra when there are way more accomplished producers and dj's from this country who don't even get booked for this event?

The only edge that I feel this female (signed to your label) has over the other dj's and producers that I speak of is that she has a pretty face and blonde hair.

I've never really posted any hard questions directed at a member of the original foundation of this scene on a public forum because I always feared it would come back to me in some way. I recently decided at the end of 2007 to give up my hopes of being a competeing dnb dj in america so I guess I can freely say what many think about privately but stay tight-lipped about due to the politics of the scene .

I really feel that because of disheartening political moves like the one depicted in the image above, many dj's/producers in america are transitioning to other genres of music because they feel that no matter how hard they try or how talented they are, no one really cares. This is whats killing the dnb scene in america.

I know this is a very controversial subject but it would be great to get some feedback from other members on this board.

Sincerely,

Stephen Delano McFarlane

www.myspace.com/djdelano

[ delano - 13 Jun 2008 11:37 ]

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Gimmicks have no longevity.

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if you want this thread/topic to get some attention you should post it on www.dogsonacid.com

[ djcalculon - 30 Mar 2008 20:22 ]

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that would definitely get more posts, but then it would be difficult to read thru the entire thread. :P
interesting read tho delano. i know nothing of the people involved, but it gets my brain thinking.

[ tv_g - 30 Mar 2008 21:32 ]

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wait. you saying there is female out there that got a position soley on looks?

inconcievable.

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djdelano makes a good point. Ive tried competing to do the same as him. IM lucky to get an out of town DNB gig here or there... I started focusing more on hiphop/mashup + party/electro scene and its only done better for me. Im on Crooklyn Clan now, have 5 hiphop/mashup residencies in the SF Bay area and now travelling + actually getting paid vs. whatever I ever got accomplished with DNB.

I still love DNB but yes, politics have pushed many a DNB DJ to other genres, such as hiphop, mashup, electro and DUBSTEP. Glad Delano brought this point up.

No diss to the chick playing (I dont know her by face but Id probably recognize her name).

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If I could rephrase myself... Politics play alot into why people leave DNB. I woudlnt say that women have it easier... If fact, its quite the opposite... Its actually a catch 22... Some women (alot of them) have to work twice as hard to get recognition, Some just look good and make moves. In the end, If your really talented, You get ahead, be it DNB or whatever your into these days. These days, The hardcore still love DNB.

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I just figured she was playing Ultra because The World of Drum & Bass Tour was booked to play and she is part of that.

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Who is the DJ by the way? If they are a part of a tour, then that answers that.

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Delano, like you said...

She's signed to the label.

done.

But with posts like this, guess what?

She's being promoted... by you!

And soon everyone will know who she is.

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the irony is that, this thread is about politics and how most dj's cant get a break like her, yet she gets a break and everyones out to bash her cause shes a girl.

i know shes been signed to formation before and has been spinning worldwide for ages. so im sure shes paid her dues in one way or another, whether some of us has paid attention or, ironically enough, chosen to ignore her efforts.
obviously shes done something right, if not, at least shes eyecandy.

which brings something refreshing to see at an event, rather than watching the same 99% of dudes play the same boring tunes out.

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Dj B. Traits, she usually performs with MC Kay under LTC (Ladies Take Control)

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To me, BTraits signing to DSB is a good thing!

She's definitely not an amateur, and what makes her different (and what caught the attention of Shy) was not just her look (which doesn't hurt, come on!) but her style, and trk selections!

THink about it....If you were a new upcoming producer, who better to drop one of your dubz out there then a SMOKIN HOT female DnB DJ!!!

If u want to hear a set from her, check out dnbarena podcasts...she just did one a few months ago!

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Ive seen her do her thing for a while now.
Seen her play our big bassrush festivals and funktion nights under LTC.
I love seeing these two girls do there thing!
AND THERE HOT!!!

Weather or not YOU know her or her resume shouldnt mean that she hasnt paid her dues,
Im not sure if shes making tunes or what, but comming up as just a dj is really hard and seeing how Traits and her girl Kay are handling it in a Big way, i def have to hand it to them.

Im sure that the soundboy admin could expand and let you know alot more, but from seeing them twice in good setups and fat rigs.....i can def say i enjoy watching them rock it.
And besides all that.....yes, they are very cute!

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How is it possible for a female dj from Canada that i've never heard of in the 12 years i've been involved in this music to get a slot on the dnb stage at Ultra when there are way more accomplished producers and dj's from this country who don't even get booked for this event?

The only edge that I feel this female (signed to your label) has over the other dj's and producers that I speak of is that she has a pretty face and blonde hair.

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Never heard of? ='s you out of the loop for up and comming artists.

Shes played all over the world with SS. He obviously recognized the potential of SOMETHING NEW AND FRESH aka B Traits a girl DJ + MC Kay a great female vocalist. Together they play great sets and bring a different element to a male driven industry. 2 girls rocking a DnB stage among male DJs and MCs who we've all seen a million times. omg... new DJs are getting exposure in a scene of aging DJs who's game is consistently dropping... and they're FEMALES?!?!? good lord. lets all get jealous and start a tissy fit.

B Traits has progressed from the exposure LTC gave her. Good for her. Shes a good DJ. Yes, shes a cute girl. But to be made out to be 'just a pretty face' is extremely chauvinistic considering you have "never heard of her" aka you do not know of her history and what shes done and accomplished in order to make it to that stage. Which makes the original post sound straight bitter...

There is only a small handful of women who have suceeded in this genre. To give her s**t just for being pretty is f**king lame. If this were in the house/electro/trance scene it might be a different story. she plays vinyl and CDs.
she isnt pulling the "itunes click play and wave ur hands around and dance in front of an audience all doing so while half naked" thing. shes playing dnb. among the men. and she isnt exploiting herself sexually in order to do so. give her some f**king credit.
Oh and shes a nice girl that people actually like. maybe that has aided her career just a lil bit.

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B. Traits, is actually a good DJ. She's played out in SF before. Funny story to go along with one of the SF shows... One of the promoters booked a hotel for LTC and instead of it being the one by the venue in SF, It ended up being 20 miles to the south where I live, in San Mateo. DOH! $60 cab ride later... sorry for side tracking. They are real good friends with my homeskillet DJ ANGST, so all good in my book. Big ups to Mary Mac, she doing big things up in Vancity as well.

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from what i know she has tenure as a dj. i'm sure she's paid her dues one way or another at least on that level. girl dj gimmicks and those just lookin to come up quick for notoriaty always fade if they don't have the roots and skill to handle themselves but from what i gather, she is highly skilled on her mixes and supposedly her live sets are on point. but i feel delano's concern. for me, trying to get a slot at wmc has always been like pulling teeth and when u see new comers on a stage that i would die to be on it kinda hurts when u take into consideration i've dedicated half my life to this w/ international releases and an original album in my discography. we all know it occurs even in our local scene. dnb is not about proving anything to anyone for me. it's always just been an aesthetic of my life as i know it and if people connect w/ me on that level than great. if not, fine. i just wish more people had this perspective w/ this music instead of being concerned w/ what other people think about how or what they play. most importantly i wish more dj's produced their own music and supported other local producers in their sets and that those people get the representation they deserve at shows like these. but i've been playing in la for over 6 yrs now and have yet to play a massiv nor do i get invited to wmc unless i bust bawlz. i ain't holdin' my breath and i shure as s**t ain't gunna shake hands w/ the right people just to get a slot if they don't respect my craft so imm continue to bust my arse in the studio cuz at the end of the day, no one can f**k wit dat!

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Big ups to her and the rest of the female DJs and MCs (many of whom call LA home) who have the guts to get up in the booth and be a part of the boy's club we know as D&B.

On the other hand, it is kind of weird that she's been signed to both Formation and Digital Soundboy without writing a single tune.

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According to delano ...

How is it possible for a female dj from Canada that i've never heard of in the 12 years i've been involved in this music to get a slot on the dnb stage at Ultra when there are way more accomplished producers and dj's from this country who don't even get booked for this event?

The only edge that I feel this female (signed to your label) has over the other dj's and producers that I speak of is that she has a pretty face and blonde hair.

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Never heard of? ='s you out of the loop for up and comming artists.

Shes played all over the world with SS. He obviously recognized the potential of SOMETHING NEW AND FRESH aka B Traits a girl DJ + MC Kay a great female vocalist. Together they play great sets and bring a different element to a male driven industry. 2 girls rocking a DnB stage among male DJs and MCs who we've all seen a million times. omg... new DJs are getting exposure in a scene of aging DJs who's game is consistently dropping... and they're FEMALES?!?!? good lord. lets all get jealous and start a tissy fit.

B Traits has progressed from the exposure LTC gave her. Good for her. Shes a good DJ. Yes, shes a cute girl. But to be made out to be 'just a pretty face' is extremely chauvinistic considering you have "never heard of her" aka you do not know of her history and what shes done and accomplished in order to make it to that stage. Which makes the original post sound straight bitter...

There is only a small handful of women who have suceeded in this genre. To give her s**t just for being pretty is f**king lame. If this were in the house/electro/trance scene it might be a different story. she plays vinyl and CDs.
she isnt pulling the "itunes click play and wave ur hands around and dance in front of an audience all doing so while half naked" thing. shes playing dnb. among the men. and she isnt exploiting herself sexually in order to do so. give her some f**king credit.
Oh and shes a nice girl that people actually like. maybe that has aided her career just a lil bit.
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AGREED!

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Ain't nothing wrong with a little LTC

[ andrade - 31 Mar 2008 10:15 ]

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I don't think LTC performs as a group anymore.... anyone???

DJ Traits is a siiiiiiiick DJ! Love her track selection, love her DJing style. She has been performing all over the place and putting in dues for a good while now, and her mix on dnbarena is super dope.

A good question is how someone gets signed to two major labels (Formation, DSB) without having any tunes (out for the public to hear)? Maybe they saw some potential in her, and maybe it was her looks - but that is not something that is an ailment of the DNB scene. Look into almost every major entertainment industry (music, movies, fashion, TV, radio) - and that is just a fact of life, and how this world works... right or wrong.

I do know that there are some forthcoming releases planned for B. Traits - and I can't wait to hear them.

Nothing but love for this girl, she is super sweet, and super talented.

Unfortunately - everyone in life doesn't get the breaks they need/deserve, but that does not mean that we should automatically discount those who do get a break.

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I would like alot of LTC please.


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Ain't nothing wrong with a little LTC

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Unfortunately - everyone in life doesn't get the breaks they need/deserve, but that does not mean that we should automatically discount those who do get a break.
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very well put

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According to delano ...

How is it possible for a female dj from Canada that i've never heard of in the 12 years i've been involved in this music to get a slot on the dnb stage at Ultra when there are way more accomplished producers and dj's from this country who don't even get booked for this event?

The only edge that I feel this female (signed to your label) has over the other dj's and producers that I speak of is that she has a pretty face and blonde hair.

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Never heard of? ='s you out of the loop for up and comming artists.

Shes played all over the world with SS. He obviously recognized the potential of SOMETHING NEW AND FRESH aka B Traits a girl DJ + MC Kay a great female vocalist. Together they play great sets and bring a different element to a male driven industry. 2 girls rocking a DnB stage among male DJs and MCs who we've all seen a million times. omg... new DJs are getting exposure in a scene of aging DJs who's game is consistently dropping... and they're FEMALES?!?!? good lord. lets all get jealous and start a tissy fit.

B Traits has progressed from the exposure LTC gave her. Good for her. Shes a good DJ. Yes, shes a cute girl. But to be made out to be 'just a pretty face' is extremely chauvinistic considering you have "never heard of her" aka you do not know of her history and what shes done and accomplished in order to make it to that stage. Which makes the original post sound straight bitter...

There is only a small handful of women who have suceeded in this genre. To give her s**t just for being pretty is f**king lame. If this were in the house/electro/trance scene it might be a different story. she plays vinyl and CDs.
she isnt pulling the "itunes click play and wave ur hands around and dance in front of an audience all doing so while half naked" thing. shes playing dnb. among the men. and she isnt exploiting herself sexually in order to do so. give her some f**king credit.
Oh and shes a nice girl that people actually like. maybe that has aided her career just a lil bit.
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take_me_back_to_la couldnt have said it any better.
big up to SS for tryin something new and adding something different than what we are used to. Ive met Btraits at WMC in 06 and she is a sweetheart. Cant wait to see her perform out here soon. Now go on wit ya bad self gyal!!!

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A good question is how someone gets signed to two major labels (Formation, DSB) without having any tunes (out for the public to hear)?
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Its easy, just ask Flight or Crissy Criss, Andy C or Storm or any of the others that were signed to Huge labels before tunes were every written.

I cant get enough of the flame fest this has become on DOA.

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you really think that the domestic scene is being killed because of a

glass celing for male american producers???? there are so many

different legitimate reasons that our scene is declining domestically,

and this is the one you choose to challange the establishment with? a

blonde girl?



Drop tunes instead of dropping names and you might get booked in miami next year.









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[ aero - 31 Mar 2008 10:37 ]
[ aero - 31 Mar 2008 10:34 ]

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These two are big timers!

Funktion


HSII 2007


st. petersburg russia

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I'm usually the first one NOT to post in these types of topics but I ran into something a few weeks ago when I was in NY.

There is a semi-prominant female dj out in the NY area that I 'first-hand' witnessed play a FULL pre programed, beat matched set. with teases dbl drops and the lot! I thought it was purely taboo and didn't think anyone had the balls. but I guess this thing is only going to get worse. =(

Now on the topic of btraits. That girl is actually a very good DJ. I have personally seen her out many times and she does a great job.

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oh no... someone is actually making it as a dj nowadays... and shes a female who doesnt exploit herself... gasp

dont get me wrong, without the producers, djs would have nothing to play. thank you and much respect to all the producers out there who lock themselves in the studios writing great tunes.

personally... producing isnt for me, ive never really caught the bug, i just love the feeling of playing records whether it be at home or in the clubs. it is great to see someone make it as a dj nowadays and not someone who writes tunes but has no idea how to spin them. some can do it all and some choose to stick to one thing. to each their own, as long as someone has the love and talent for the music, whether it be djing/producing/mcing/singing etc, they deserve to go wherever things can take them. just because someone hasnt written the next "vault" doesnt mean they havnt paid their dues.

b.traits is definately a great dj, ive seen her play live many times and her track selection and dj skills are great. she deserves everything good thats coming to her.

[ circuit - 31 Mar 2008 10:42 ]

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silence is a virtue!!!!

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WELL SAID.....please also dont forget that if there werent people still "just dj'ing" then nobody would be buying tunes. One needs the other and all that. Cant say it better than Circuit so I will just quote him FTW.

also - wasnt our very own dj phear signed to a german label without any releases to call his own? why no hate then? are we a sexist scene now?? I say bring more girls in and lets end the damn chin stroking sausage fest and get back to dancing, bumpin and grinding and all that FUN STUFF that we like to forget about.

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oh no... someone is actually making it as a dj nowadays... and shes a female who doesnt exploit herself... gasp

dont get me wrong, without the producers, djs would have nothing to play. thank you and much respect to all the producers out there who lock themselves in the studios writing great tunes.

personally... producing isnt for me, ive never really caught the bug, i just love the feeling of playing records whether it be at home or in the clubs. it is great to see someone make it as a dj nowadays and not someone who writes tunes but has no idea how to spin them. some can do it all and some choose to stick to one thing. to each their own, as long as someone has the love and talent for the music, whether it be djing/producing/mcing/singing etc, they deserve to go whever things can take them. just because someone hasnt written the next "vault" doesnt mean they havnt paid their dues.

b.traits is definately a great dj, ive seen her play live many times and her track selection and dj skills are great. she deserves everything good thats coming to her.
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[ dj.com - 31 Mar 2008 10:43 ]

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agreed 100%

Personally, I'd rather go see a GREAT DJ play, then a GREAT PRODUCER with half-assed DJing skills.

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oh no... someone is actually making it as a dj nowadays... and shes a female who doesnt exploit herself... gasp

dont get me wrong, without the producers, djs would have nothing to play. thank you and much respect to all the producers out there who lock themselves in the studios writing great tunes.

personally... producing isnt for me, ive never really caught the bug, i just love the feeling of playing records whether it be at home or in the clubs. it is great to see someone make it as a dj nowadays and not someone who writes tunes but has no idea how to spin them. some can do it all and some choose to stick to one thing. to each their own, as long as someone has the love and talent for the music, whether it be djing/producing/mcing/singing etc, they deserve to go whever things can take them. just because someone hasnt written the next "vault" doesnt mean they havnt paid their dues.

b.traits is definately a great dj, ive seen her play live many times and her track selection and dj skills are great. she deserves everything good thats coming to her.
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link?

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I cant get enough of the flame fest this has become on DOA.
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http://www.dogsonacid.com/showthread.php?threadid=565704&cache=153

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international pwnage -


http://www.dogsonacid.com/showthread.php?threadid=565704&cache=153

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congrats your post just won most sexist of the month!

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Buahhahaaa~

Originally posted by Shy FX

Good question Delano.
Let me start by asking if you've ever heard a song by Justin Timberlake called "Cry me a river"? Good song, that's all. Now to address the question. You're being a douchebag, shut the f**k up.

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WOW!!

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blonde is the new black. i think i get it now.

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looks as tho maybe emailing the admin at digital soundboy would have been a better idea to get a good answer, and not on posting on multiple forums.

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yea dood thought we were bad DOA Is up to 9 pgs

[ blaze13 - 31 Mar 2008 12:26 ]

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Took the words right out of my mouth! Bwaaaahahahahaha!!!
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Buahhahaaa~

Originally posted by Shy FX

Good question Delano.
Let me start by asking if you've ever heard a song by Justin Timberlake called "Cry me a river"? Good song, that's all. Now to address the question. You're being a douchebag, shut the f**k up.
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omfg

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Cream rises - Sh*t sinks.

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She's playing ultra because of her style ! DUH !!!!! It's so FRESH !!

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blonde is the new black. i think i get it now.
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the sad part is that this is probly what he thought or wanted to happen, they call it negative attention, but to some its just attention. im done.

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or, since he knows the guy he's trying to get an answer from... like he stated above:

I've come to know almost every single uk dnb artist (including yourself) that has toured in america

contacting him personally might have been am easier way.

but then again, my Monday at work wouldn't have been near as fun.


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looks as tho maybe emailing the admin at digital soundboy would have been a better idea to get a good answer, and not on posting on multiple forums.
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the sad part is that this is probly what he thought or wanted to happen, they call it negative attention, but to some its just attention. im done.
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