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What will the next generation contribute?

Just wondering what will the new sound of drum N bass will be in the upcoming decade!?! I am part of the 90's generation who grew up listening to goldie, roni size, dj krust, essassin, etc... then when the year 2000 hit, DnB got a lot harder, and even harder as the decade progressed. Now 2010 is just around the corner, the new decade of DnB is upon us, what will it sound like? What has not been done yet?

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DUBSTEP

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the scene is going darker and more minimal as a whole imo. Techstep has been in the same spot for a while but liquid funk has been getting more and more stripped down and more influenced by detroit techno and minimal techstep kinda vibes. Its quite obvious just listen to recent commix, alix perez. icicle, zero t. Its no where as musical and soulful as it used to be (that could be good or bad, all a matter of opinion). Also I think the same is happening to dancefloor stuff but there is still plenty of different stuff but even some newer subfocus stuff is going a bit edgier. Overall I think a darker dnb and def more of stripped out kinda dirty dubstep influenced stuff is in the works for the scene as a whole. Even the like of andy c and more dancefloor djs are embracing stuff like frank mountain or spartan

Stuff like lynx and alix perez - allegiance is the future imo


[ jonl - 8 Aug 2008 23:02 ]
[ jonl - 8 Aug 2008 23:01 ]

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Better Drugs, hopefully!

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DUBSTEP
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are you kidding me?

the future of dnb is dubstep?

gag me with a f**king spoon

[ unifire - 9 Aug 2008 02:51 ]

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for the record - i dont hate dubstep. i just dont think it compares to dnb.

whats the future hold for dnb? how bout we wait and find out?

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hmm. i dunnooo.

im seeing several well known and respected dnb artists/producers (stateside to worldwide) makin the switch or at least dabblin' with the dubstep.

dont believe it?...

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hey..... I'm a next generation guy

here's the future in my mind.....



Hidden Sound - Live At Underground SF, San Francisco Aug 1st 2008

1. Chris Inperspective - Heather's Hot Waffles (Exit dub)
2. Macc - Messier 51 [Equinox Remix] (Subtle Audio)
3. Fanu - Tribes [Remix] (Warm Commuications)
4. Fracture & Neptune - Too Doggone Funky (Inperspective)
5. dgoHn - Man Bith (Subtle Audio)
6. Macc & 0=0 - Bridge Over Broken Water (Subtle Audio)
7. Senses - Expand:Contract [Shotgun Camel Remix] (dub)
8. Fanu - Jason (Thermal)
9. Fanu - Lightless (13 Music)
10.Reactiv - Sirocco (Covert Operations)
11.Seba & Alaska - Back From Eternity (Arctic Music)
12.Spiral - Miss Sunrise [Fracture & Neptune Remix] (Know)
13.NSF - Dub Shall Fall (Audio Bullet dub)
14.Sumone - Jah Jah We Are Waiting (Soothsayer)
15.Parallel - Iron Shirt [mental brockout dub] (?)

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ess8lcr5yg9

[ hiddensound - 9 Aug 2008 03:14 ]

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hmm. i dunnooo.

im seeing several well known and respected dnb artists/producers (stateside to worldwide) makin the switch or at least dabblin' with the dubstep.

dont believe it?...
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so that means people like to try new/different things. more power to them thats great! variety is the spice of life.

the way i see it - seeing several dj's/producers in the same breath are NOT making the switch. case in point - dnb is not about to be toppled over by dubstep. dubtep's dubstep and dnb's dnb.

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I see drum N bass going in two different directions, one is more dancefloor friendly where it encompasses more of the main stream, and the second, harder, darker, and more technical. The production is getting ridiculous, but definitely a very brite future.

Tune in to Radiobomb on 90.7 fm every 2nd and 4th friday to get the latest tunes.

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i see it being more mashed up with amens. and remixes of absolutly everything. 100 songs mixed into 1.
i also think its going to mashed with other genres like hardcore

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okay well then answer this.. why is dubstep the only other gengre that does not get deleted when posted on "junglescene"

why is there a section on junglescene for dubstep..

i could go on and on.. dont get butthurt b/c im right

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According to rickschrode ...

hmm. i dunnooo.

im seeing several well known and respected dnb artists/producers (stateside to worldwide) makin the switch or at least dabblin' with the dubstep.

dont believe it?...
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so that means people like to try new/different things. more power to them thats great! variety is the spice of life.

the way i see it - seeing several dj's/producers in the same breath are NOT making the switch. case in point - dnb is not about to be toppled over by dubstep. dubtep's dubstep and dnb's dnb.
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i love happy hardcore.

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nick, your just mad cause you want to post our trust threads on js :P all that means is that people are looking outside of the niche they carved for inspiration, thank god for that dude. I am dying for a breathe of fresh air, some excitement within our scene.

dubstep is dubstep, and D&B is D&B. What makes them different is the tempo, obviously.

D&B is going a few ways as far as I can see.

1.) Jump up wobble bass- which will get integrated into the electro scene along with bassline, certain dubstep, and speed garage.
2.) Minimal/liquid- the new deep movement
3.) Reggae/Jungle- the rudeboy sound is back

but thats just me

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okay well then answer this.. why is dubstep the only other gengre that does not get deleted when posted on "junglescene"

why is there a section on junglescene for dubstep..

i could go on and on.. dont get butthurt b/c im right

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According to unifire ...

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According to rickschrode ...

hmm. i dunnooo.

im seeing several well known and respected dnb artists/producers (stateside to worldwide) makin the switch or at least dabblin' with the dubstep.

dont believe it?...
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so that means people like to try new/different things. more power to them thats great! variety is the spice of life.

the way i see it - seeing several dj's/producers in the same breath are NOT making the switch. case in point - dnb is not about to be toppled over by dubstep. dubtep's dubstep and dnb's dnb.
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^^^^

not even.. its true and you know it.. anyway im over it not gonna start going back and forth about dnb vs dubstep.. honestly i really dont care.. i love the music.. i was just making an honest observation

[ dirtydnbsanchez - 9 Aug 2008 12:05 ]

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i still love the dnb tempo. i was listening to this calyx and teebee (two of my favorites!) track this morning, enygma, and noticing the same synth/filter ive heard in some recent smash hit dubstep tunes. gotta love it all!

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okay well then answer this.. why is dubstep the only other gengre that does not get deleted when posted on "junglescene"

why is there a section on junglescene for dubstep..

i could go on and on.. dont get butthurt b/c im right
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i beg to differ. i think the reason dubstep is not only allowed in the junglescene forum, clubs & parties forum, party reviews forum, photo's forum, etc. but also has its OWN forum (absurd!) is simple - politics. eecue has a lot of friends who are into dubstep and doesn't have it in his heart to upset them. reality however is this website does not dictate the future of dnbs. dnb is much bigger than js.com.

doa or dnb arena are keeping the foundation strong focusing more on the 170 bpm lifestyle. JS seems more fickle when it comes to holding it down for the dnb movement. loss of interest some?? or just folloqing the trends? nobody really knows

[ unifire - 9 Aug 2008 12:53 ]
[ unifire - 9 Aug 2008 12:52 ]
[ unifire - 9 Aug 2008 12:49 ]

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Bernie Mac died this morning

age 50.

pnuemonia...

RIP

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blues-soul-rock-funk-disco-hiphop-house-techno-jungle-dnb-dubstep.

that's basically the musical timeline imo.

with a bunch of genres spun off of those.

trip-hop, chipset, atlanta snap, chicago juke, bassline, baile funk, etc.

i see the nex gen increasingly incorporating more diverse sounds into their productions...



either that or turn towards more minimal production like Souljaboy...


yuaaaaa...

[ teekay - 9 Aug 2008 15:00 ]

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Yikes...
yo pete, u'r coming off a little defensive aren't you? or im i reading that into it?
I don't think this needs to turn into 'is it
over for dnb' debate ya know? Dubstep is on this site because ..its eecue's site and eecue likes dupstep - . Its not so political - its just what eecue likes. hehehe

I mean, imo, i could see dubstep overshadowing dnb in popularity - it's tempo closer to that range that most
people listen to music at - i think... kind'o like that 'dirty south' sound or whatever...
But alot of dnb folks have accepted it as their own - it seems to me (DSB is pushing it) but the dnb is still going strong...in divergent directions too...

The future looks good to me- i like alot of what i'm hearing, but also i don't like a number of things...but thats to expected...its dnb - there is so many influences and directions it goes in...Seems like there are new producers (and old ones ) that are coming with a different take on things...It both has more popularity and underground respect at the same time...
I got into dnb because of Goldie and i'm glad to see him still around and still coming out with great musical ideas
And its interesting what the poster said about the techno/ Detriot influences - which i think is true, i agree, but don't you think that in a way, those have always been there...? Or like people say, 'it's getting darker' or 'deeper' - but hasn't it always?...or like in my opinion, I hear a lot of good melodic tunes - some good 'writing' ...but again, those have always been there too...in one form or another haven't they...?? (Production techs continue to advance and influence this is true). That's what i think is so trippy about dnb, it has this fluid quality, ever changing but based on what came before from one style to another-that also references other styles - and it kind of like evolves or someting...
(but it can still, at times, all sound too much the same - though thats true with anything)
And then there's ragga jungle - that i don't think ever really went away, but was off on its own for a little bit there...kind a closer to the hardcore scene in some ways... More chopage please: Long live the Amen, amen

And Dubstep is interesting. It has its own proper scene and direction/ trajectory yet (for now), it's kind of attached to the hip of dnb... and this has been a good thing for dnb It has helped dnb expand its horizons; it made it ok to slow down the tempo a bit and experiment - at least a little. And it has brought some knew folks into dnb. The relentless drive to 200 bpm's or the hardest head banging beats has gotten.... i don't know... i don't mean to say that you can't have a good tune or make good/interesting music at high tempos but if your looking for "funk" - it gets a bit harder to 'swing' at that speed... knowhaimean

You know, I like me some dupstep for sure -but i see people really getting down.. er or getting off to dubstep... it just doesn't do that for me - (i know, i don't get it) Yet i understand the feeling, because dnb/jungle still does that for me...Im quite well pleased.

I think the changing landscape comes from and is spurred on by the influx of a new generation of 'music' enthusiasts! so yeah! to the new generation!

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Yikes...
yo pete, u'r coming off a little defensive aren't you? or im i reading that into it?
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no joey u read it write i am defensive. u know im always really straight up never beating around the bush. whats the point in having a dubstep forum if its already in every other forum? i don't get it. dave's site is called eecue.com. i look at js as more of a forum belonging to the local dnb community. many of us have donated time, money, etc. over the years only to find out the original purpose has switched and now we got to be hip and follow dubstep or else. screw that. i LOVE dnb. dubstep is alright. i don't think it belongs in every forum

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I'll be totally honest... The only vinyl I have been collecting for a while now is jump-up era (96-98ish), and below. Those are the days I came into the scene with and I honestly don't believe (in general and in my opinion) that the drum and bass of today has nearly the heart or feeling of that of yesteryear. By "feeling", I mean the warmth of the music. It seems to me that alot of the drum and bass today is cold and lacking of emotion. Now of course there are exceptions, but as a whole "scene" or "movement" the vibe as well as the music has most certainly changed.

[ kryptic - 10 Aug 2008 08:58 ]

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its tha f**kin soundzz!!!! the sounds keep getting sharper and more creative. I FEEEEEL THE MUSIC THESE DAYS. To get an idea for what im talkin about, tune in today from 2-4pm on protokolradio.com and the sdmanz will show you what im talkin about. TODAY (sunday) from 2-4pm dj's Tryxx, Gum-b, Jinx droppin huge dnb selections!!!

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be excellent to eachother.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVXGC896Jdw

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Why is dubstep such a big controversy? Is it that people are scared of it, that's its going to somehow bump out DnB or something?

AFAIK can tell dubsteb is stuck in the same mediocrity trap that had me turned off to DnB through the 90s: too much bass and neat tricks, and not enough musicality and soul.

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“Love sees sharply, hatred sees even more sharp, but Jealousy sees the sharpest for it is love and hate at the same time”

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i just see a lot of people in drum n bass fed up with the politics, fed up with the direction of the music, fed up with the type of crowd it draws, fed up with having to make a certain type of tune, fed up with working their ass off only to realize people are only trying to hold them back...

seems like a lot of UK guys are trying out other forms of music, and dubstep happens to be one of them. But I think just as many US producers and dj's are making the switch to the hipster electro house thing.

to place blame on one form of music is a bit much - i really just see it as people tired of the dnb game and moving on

i think the future of dnb is going to be a sobering one. the egos and attitudes will have fallen, the politics will settle, the old world of dnb will have moved on, and it will allow room for a new breed of producers to come along and change things. I dont see it dying off... especially in LA

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hah politics. that's funny. i actually allow it on here (just like hip-hop) because it's a form of music i like.

also there are a lot of dnb producers, djs, and people who are in to both genres.

=]

-dave

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funcrusherplus, i hate to say it but dubstep brings a nearly identical scene to dnb and it also has the same politics as well. what you're describing are issues that plague every type of scene, musical or not.

=]

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I hope dubwise, raggae styles come back, call be old... not the idm ragga, but soulfull musical sounding s**t... in fact I hope it gets more soulful period, no offence to any genre or style but it needs to make me feel good.
I hope ragga-liquid-neuro-jazz step takes off.
with a few amens thrown in to make sure were still listening to jungle

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seconded.... thrashers can have their metal...

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I hope dubwise, raggae styles come back, call be old... not the idm ragga, but soulfull musical sounding s**t... in fact I hope it gets more soulful period, no offence to any genre or style but it needs to make me feel good.
I hope ragga-liquid-neuro-jazz step takes off.
with a few amens thrown in to make sure were still listening to jungle
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personally, i like the growing number of producers pushing the tempo back under 170.

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The future looks bright. Navigate towards it, we'll see you there
-TKT

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omg you are so my favorite.

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be excellent to eachother.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVXGC896Jdw

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Toxic
Heavy Hittahz
Obstrukt
Dub Peddla
Hoogs
Dirty Deeds
list goes on (go ahead and add to it cos there certainly is more talent to mention fo sho)..

Here some of the future's producers doing really big thingz on vinyl, mp3, djng and live performance..
Worldwide sound build for the future of the dancefloor.

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seems to be the new wave. 8-/

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the super hard s**t is coming from russia/belgium/czech...

you dont know...

thats where im lookin.

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just like to add

TC
G Dub
Clipz
Hazard
Distorted Mindz

That about sums up my dream line-up along with the rest of them fellas below :teef:

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Toxic
Heavy Hittahz
Obstrukt
Dub Peddla
Hoogs
Dirty Deeds
list goes on (go ahead and add to it cos there certainly is more talent to mention fo sho)..

Here some of the future's producers doing really big thingz on vinyl, mp3, djng and live performance..
Worldwide sound build for the future of the dancefloor.


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more djs becoming producers and producers becoming "live" performers. there is no money in releasing your tunes anymore, which means that djs actually make more money to play your tune than you do to make it..its only a matter of time before people stop releasing tunes except for tour hyping singles or tour coverage CDs..

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The DnB scene has been and always will be populated by purists. These people want to preserve what they hold sacred in their music. They are involved with DnB because they have an intense love of the music but like an overprotective parent they don't want anything influencing their baby and don't want it to change THAT much. While many feel that new influences and new directions help the progression of the music there will always be a large part of the scene who will immediately categorize new things as something compleatly different in order to cast it out of the DnB sphere and preserve the integrity of what they hold so dear.

I personally haven't been bitten by the dubstep bug. To be honest I don't really like it much, but I love that something new has sprung up and has gained popularity. I wish that people would stop strangling progression and let evolution happen naturally. Who cares if they talk about dubstep in 14 forums. Telling people when and where to talk and labeling their subject "out of the group" cuts off the creative flow. It censors the influence that might effect other forms of expression and limits creative people who may feed off that influence, taking the music in a whole different direction.

I forsee DnB becomming something that won't be titled "DnB". I also forsee a large group of people hanging for dear life to what they already know because it IS all they know. These people will run out of material at some point, the ones who embrace change will be innovative.

*steps down off soap box*

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I'm still waiting for a heavier version of drumfunk to have it's day. Of all the genres that have had their day in the shade it's always sorta been stuck as a novelty style.

Other than that, yes dubstep. If people haven't realised that Dubstep is just a continuation of Jungle/DnB yet they really need to open their eyes.

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EGOS WILL NEVER DIE!!!
politics make us smile

it took longer for drum&bass to become more popularly fluent and dubstep road the coattails of drum&bass all the way to the top, not like thats a bad thing...

respect all art
sucka!

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oh yeah
drum&bass will get bigger
more than you will ever know

steadily, the numbers rise everyday
all styles
all forms
all techniques
will evolve into something different

thus... the cycle of music continues.

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What are you talking about tailcoats. Never show me or tell me the facts behind this. Dubstep blazed it's own path and i found this sound by pure accident on a garage forum in 2005 late 2005. Yes jungle producers lets call it what it is are crossing over but name one musician who does not dip onto another genre. That is the beauty of dubstep you can hear producers like Distance bring heavy guitar into his tracks Mala that dub sound Cirus the more electronic vibe i mean is all over the place s**t i just got a new 320 of It's a man's world. Raul brigging that gangsta sound into the dub. I will always be a junglist and will always love it but long ago it lost that edge that it needs to regain. The only thing i can say is 8 bit tracks are starting to point in that new direction for jungle and lets see if the youthful ear catches this and embarks on a new direction giving us fresh new sounds.



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EGOS WILL NEVER DIE!!!
politics make us smile

it took longer for drum&bass to become more popularly fluent and dubstep road the coattails of drum&bass all the way to the top, not like thats a bad thing...

respect all art
sucka!
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Dubstep is already getting kinda old and dusty, it's the past and present now really, not the future..."J-Tek" is the new fad that seems to be coming up, I think we'll be hearing a lot more of this the next two years until something else comes up.

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Hopefully, the new generation will bring us something better than this HIPSTER CRAP - because serious - the 80's were NEVER cool, and day glow will be out in a year or two tops.

American Apparel and their league of child molested soft core pornstar models and their bad taste and mismatched clothing have unfortunately become the spokes people of the modern youth, which leads me to ask your very same question -

what WILL our next generation bring?!

imo the NEXT generation is our eleven year old (and like aged) childrens... train dem up real good so THEY can come bring the funk!!!

This gen Y, or whatever it is called, has only taken what has already been, and mashed it all up. That in and of it's self maybe considered revolution, because we had thought to mash it up, but no one really did it - and now they have... but how long can bad trance and house get mixed into the top 40 along with a splash electronica and then be considered music?

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^^^^
Too True.
Thank God someone said it first.
LOL.

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it's the past and present now really, not the future...
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Wait, didn't jungle fit this same description when it came about in the early 90s?

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i hope people like Alix Perez, Sabre, Lynx, Icicle, Zero T, Break, Survival, Spectrasoul, etc. continue to gain popularity with the younger crowd and eventually overshadow all that Clipz, TC, Hazard, Distorted Minds and G-Dub garbage.

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i hope people like Alix Perez, Sabre, Lynx, Icicle, Zero T, Break, Survival, Spectrasoul, etc. continue to gain popularity with the younger crowd and eventually overshadow all that Clipz, TC, Hazard, Distorted Minds and G-Dub garbage.
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seconded.