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question for mc's...

i know i'm bringing up an old topic everyone's tired of, but who cares. so mc's... i'm sure u read all those posts about how u guys need to learn how to shut up sometimes and stop calling for rewinds every other song. and i'm sure u hear this all the time. so why do u keep doing it? i'm not sayin ALL mc's... but most of u. i guess u are hyping up the crowd, which is good... but it also seems like the only ppl getting hyped up are the fuct up ravers who don't know anything about jungle anyway. so i see it as selling out. i think u should do wat ppl who actually know the music want, and let us listen to it. and don't call for a rewind on, like, "lk".

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LMFAO,...SAY BO!!

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The way i see it...the mcs are doing it for the massive at that party..not the few select people that actually take the time to learn about dnb like ourselves... i mean yeah...at bassrush twist um out got rewound 4 times.. BUT..the first rewind was worth it..did you see the crowd. its all on the audience as a whole...not us select few that sit in the back corner watching what the dj does and what tunes he drops and how he drops them.

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Even the Vocal version Of LK ??

Haha

I have to disagree... I can hear a whole set of just that song going from instumental to vocal and rewinding everyother instance...

Say BO again .. heheh

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BO!

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Say it again and see what I do

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im skeered

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stop ruining my thread.

jp :P

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it also seems like the only ppl getting hyped up are the fuct up ravers who don't know anything about jungle anyway. so i see it as selling out. i think u should do wat ppl who actually know the music want, and let us listen to it.
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1st: Show me ur data on "the only people getting hyped are fuk'd up ravers." Ummm . . . peeps were hyped at the DSLboy show and there was no one there who would fit tthe 'image' of 'fuk'd up ravers'. Just cause u had one bad experience this past weekend doesn't mean that an mc inspires only fukk'd up ravers.


"ravers who don't know anything about jungle anyway."
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*Yeah but Tammy (and i say this with respects), i know more about jungle then you so what does that mean (and someone else knows more then me)? (and u can see how stupid i sound saying that, so for u to say that about "ravers" who cares who knows what)?


"so i see it as selling out"
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*Isn't the perception of a sell-out someone who changes their image and what they do because of what others think and say? If ur style is your style then shouldn't u stick with it? I am not saying be anal about changing, but someone like Kemst is not ur "conventional" jungle MC, but one of the best because his style and his passion. Regardless if u like him or not if he listened to everyone (and even that point there, some people like fast mcs, others don't, some hate mcs with a passion, others can zone out mcs so don't care etc.) do u think he'd have his style, i don't?

"i think u should do wat ppl who actually know the music want"
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Bluntly if u don't like it don't pay to come, it continues when u throw ur support behind it (ie. Paying). I wholeheartedly agree about the Line-Up vs who is on stage when u get there (i was super hesitant even with the promoters blessings to get on stage for DJ RAS in SD, only after chattin' with him about it did i do so), but besides that point if u don't like it then don't support it then the promoters will get the idea (cause as much as people here complain about reloads, the same tunez getting played etc. it happens at all the shows still, Y, because u keep coming! Again to comment on this comment, I know the music so i am doing what i do


my 2cents worth 1

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YEAH you godamn MCs!


SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!












Just kidding.
I like MCs just dont Jibber Jabber

never say
"Biddy biddy beats" OR anything along those lines cause that s**t is

"wiggity wiggity wiggity WACK" get it ?

I liked John Dada @ the Total Sciene Databass show. He didnt really do any "yabba dadda biddy badadda REWWWWWIIIND!!" he actually got some crowd participation going, as a good MC should IMO. I liked playing with XYZ last summer as well.


I'd be one f**king ANGRY MC



hmm... I think I might actually try that.

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Sorry ... heheh

BOH ...

We are not ruining your thread by the way. If anything we are helping you advertise it. Eventually serious people roll through and will answer your question...

I agree with you 168% If it was up to me the only MC's that would have the privilege of touching the mic would have to be on some Saul Williams Coded Language s**t.

Not some attention whore cheerleader s**t.. Sorry if that was harsh, I am tired of having to hear some of my favorite Djs over some whiney ass blabba mouf who tries to out shine the DJ ... the whole resident MC thing is a Joke to me. If a Dj has an MC whom they have somes**t rehearsed with, fine, but having some one get up and be cheerleader for the crowd while some sick outta town Dj is not getting their vibe across cause the MC rather turn it into some booty dance s**t.

Bring it back to the mentals ...

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does anyone know the history of the "jungle mc".. i'm not sure but i think mc's like shabba and gq have been around for like ten years...since the start of jungle. are rewinds some new thing or have they always been around?

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some booty dance s**t.
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*I thought Jungle music was a form of dance music?

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The thing that bothers me the most is why MC's think they can just show up and grace us with there "skills" or lack there of. Just because you ARE an MC doesnt mean you are supposed to be doing your thang at every party. The 84234 Rewinds are a million times worse when its from annoying MC's that arent even supposed to be there to being with.

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According to mcxyz ...

some booty dance s**t.
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*I thought Jungle music was a form of dance music?
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its not chris..we are all supposed to stand infront of the dj..with no energy at all and listen and critique what he/she is doing...at least thats the way i see things now.

I need to go back to diego

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in response to lenni: questionmark needs to get off his high horse and stop gracing us with his presence. if the promoters wanted him, they'd invite him. i hate how he just shows up and gets on the mic whenever top dj's from his home country come out!!


[ peteg2 - 2 Dec 2002 17:45 ]
[ peteg2 - 2 Dec 2002 17:39 ]

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Not when it becomes brainless.. if it ever gets to that day when its all about

I dance way more when the vibe becomes more mental and deep. Kinda animalistic or tribal.. To each his own I understand that people can look at it different ways.

I personally believe that jungle was put here to deliver a message and when we decide to go towards that jump up booty direction, that the intended message gets dilluted ...

To each his own again. I know what parties to stay away from.

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Pete not Shabba! More like Det, 5-0, Moose, Hyper D (rip), Justiyc! Yes rewinds have been around since the dawn of jungle, BUT (Pete and u must understand thi cause i see u argue with people all the tyme and u always state what the UK is doing), THE USA is different. Yes this comes from the UK, but we should be setting our own trends and ways of doing things. Rap started in the East, but the West Coast has their own flavor!!! U can not make arguements against stateside people by using UK parties s ur "evidence" unless ur arguing "facts". The whole US phenomenon of dnb is very different then the UK. We may immulate them in some ways we also do things a lot different here (which is a GREAT thing in my opinion)

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"unless you know geometry, don't even speak to me" - Ice T

ONLY BALLIN PLAYERS SHOULD TOUCH THE MIC

hey hey hu hey forum posta styla !

* massive! *

=P

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www.mcshabba.com says he's been at it for 11 years chris. i remember about a year ago dnb arena profiling him saying he mc'd for 10 years.. that's two sources.

did the start of jungle in THIS country have mc's and rewinds? i've been in the scene for just over 3 years so i dunno s**t

[ peteg2 - 4 Dec 2002 22:48 ]

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I feel u HAMTZ (Coded Language is one of my favs.), i said it to make a point. Jungle is like surfing, u gotta do a lot to catch that good wave (paddle out, turn around, paddle forward, stand, balance and all of this can be like the sound system, the mc, the crowd, the venue, the tunez play'd), but when u catch the right wave and ride it is the illest feeling. I don't know why i went there .. . . bleh my minds trippin

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I will offer my statement:
in the beginning, NO MCs and NO rewinds...
just hard dark tech breaks jyeah!
NYC MASSIVE! SOUL SLINGER SELEKTA RESPECTA STYLA !
most MCs are just another dude being loud...

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*1st: Show me ur data on "the only people getting hyped are fuk'd up ravers." Ummm . . . peeps were hyped at the DSLboy show and there was no one there who would fit tthe 'image' of 'fuk'd up ravers'. Just cause u had one bad experience this past weekend doesn't mean that an mc inspires only fukk'd up ravers.*

of course i don't have data on this. does anyone? it's jus an observation i made. it mite be wrong, but it's wat i usually see. i don't ever hear of ppl who are really into jungle getting hyped over hearing a million rewinds and mc's who sound like s**t.

*Yeah but Tammy (and i say this with respects), i know more about jungle then you so what does that mean (and someone else knows more then me)? (and u can see how stupid i sound saying that, so for u to say that about "ravers" who cares who knows what)?*

it does matter who knows wat because ppl who know more about it usually appreciate it more.

*Isn't the perception of a sell-out someone who changes their image and what they do because of what others think and say? If ur style is your style then shouldn't u stick with it? I am not saying be anal about changing, but someone like Kemst is not ur "conventional" jungle MC, but one of the best because his style and his passion. Regardless if u like him or not if he listened to everyone (and even that point there, some people like fast mcs, others don't, some hate mcs with a passion, others can zone out mcs so don't care etc.) do u think he'd have his style, i don't?

i am not talking about a particular style or anything. u missed my point. i'm jus hating on the excessive rewinds and s**tty mc's.

*Bluntly if u don't like it don't pay to come, it continues when u throw ur support behind it (ie. Paying). I wholeheartedly agree about the Line-Up vs who is on stage when u get there (i was super hesitant even with the promoters blessings to get on stage for DJ RAS in SD, only after chattin' with him about it did i do so), but besides that point if u don't like it then don't support it then the promoters will get the idea (cause as much as people here complain about reloads, the same tunez getting played etc. it happens at all the shows still, Y, because u keep coming! Again to comment on this comment, I know the music so i am doing what i do*

i don't hate the mc's so much that i don't want to see the djs i really want to see. it's jus irritating. don't get me wrong, there are some mc's i do like/can tolerate. i'm jus hating on the REWINDS and SHITTY MCs. not hating on u, chris. don't take anything personally.

[ dirtychinaman - 2 Dec 2002 17:46 ]

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[ peteg2 - 2 Dec 2002 17:50 ]
[ peteg2 - 2 Dec 2002 17:48 ]

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pete said:

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in response to lenni: questionmark needs to get off his high horse and stop gracing us with his presence. if the promoters wanted him, they'd invite him. i hate how he just shows up and gets on the mic whenever top dj's from his home country come out!!
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God I cant agree more. Its like that with alot of MC's tho. If the promoters wanted them to preform, then they would have gotten booked for the party. Its just sooo f**king annoying to have 6 MC's blabbing it up, that arent even booked to begin with. LA has become a MC fest. And noone will tell them no. What happened to stage managers?

What a concept.....

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Tammy i say this all the tyme:

"I DON'T TAKE ANYTHING PERSONALLY FROM THIS SITE!" *scres*. Shit Forrest makes fun of me as an MC harsher then any1, itz all good. Whatz funni is that i think (personally) MCMC saved Bassrush for me (outside of Alder and RAW's sets). Without him (this is from my vantage pooint at the top of the party) he got the party moving at tymes!!!!!!! Ad Pete no i am not saying u don't know s**t, cause u do, but just the UK style that u appreciate (and myself) is different then the US style (which we both do appreciate also) . . . .

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i was just trying not to come off as i know-it-all cuz i am certainly not that.. i didn't take it like that chris.

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mebbe it was half rhetorical. but i really would like to get an answer from an mc. since chris didn't answer my question and jus tried to contradict everything i said. but i don't think he falls into that annoying s**tty mc category. okay, should i rephrase this? i'll make it easy for them. QUESTION: why do u call for rewinds ALL the time on stupid tracks and why don't u shut up sometimes? the end.

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According to peteg2 ...

the "s**tty mc's" you refer to would never respond to a post like this so was it a rhetorical quesiton? xyz is the only active poster on this site who discusses this sort of thing..

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where were you last wednesday night man? i didn't see you at leavy gymnasium

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ok good i change my mind. u suck.









haha april fools.

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Tammy i say this all the tyme:

"I DON'T TAKE ANYTHING PERSONALLY FROM THIS SITE!" *scres*. Shit Forrest makes fun of me as an MC harsher then any1, itz all good. Whatz funni is that i think (personally) MCMC saved Bassrush for me (outside of Alder and RAW's sets). Without him (this is from my vantage pooint at the top of the party) he got the party moving at tymes!!!!!!! Ad Pete no i am not saying u don't know s**t, cause u do, but just the UK style that u appreciate (and myself) is different then the US style (which we both do appreciate also) . . . .
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i totally hear what DCM is saying and have wondered the same thing.


i like it when an mc knows when to stay quite... i mean.. i think of the mc as an instrument.. and any one instrument overpowering the rest is no fun..


http://junglescene.com/forums/browse.php?fid=74&tid=590&start=0&mode=flat



and it's hard to say "don't support the shows" with mcees..cuz most of the time u don't even know one will be there..



I may not have a jungle degree but i know what sounds good..and theirs a whole lot of times where i want to yell "please let me hear the track!"


i think some mcees need to remember that 99% of the time the fans are there for the DJ.... not to hear "lighta crew.. where's my lighta crew"

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hey look! a forum for just this topic!!!
neato...

Rewind/MC discussion

thanks chris for your wise words as always.

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*POINTS AND LAUGHS*


haha good call rashida

der!!!

haha j/k

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oh sorry, i didn't know there was a forum for this topic. there are way too many damn forums and i don't ever feeling like looking thru all of them to see where my post belongs.

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Sorri Tammy. Y Do I (cause i can only speak for me) always call for rewinds?

*Well i like to think that i don't, but that is a matter of opinion. Okay the last couple of shows i did (RAS in SD on Weds. there was 1 rewind, i didn't call for it, Ras pulled it). Me at Rewind with APX, there was not one rewind, me at Respect with No Face, no rewind, me with Craze in SD, 1 rewind called when the crowd went bananas for "Rough Neck Sound" (i think thatz the tune).


*Y don't I know when to shut-up? Well i think that i know when to (again personal opinion). Most of my flows are 16 lines which i feel is best for me to get in and get out (in terms of flow). Also i DJ (have been for 8-9 yrs. so i can pick up on DJs tendencies and how they operate. For the most part when th crossfader is being moved over i am quite, if anything is said it is a word or 2 not a flow. Oh course particular DJs are different. Example PHEAR mixxes really well for long perods of tyme so i let him run (b/c he freaks out eqs etc.), but i also know if i say something while he is in the mix he can handle it b/c he is a top DJ and keeps his mixxes clean. Someone like RAW really desnt' ever need a MC, but if i happen to MC for him i don't say anything really, he mixxes so quick and vocals are all over the plce. Also i know many of the tunez or many tunez play'd (musically wise) can be anticipated on what is coming up next. The structure of tunez (many 2-step ones, 2-step jungle) are formulaic so it is no secret what is coming up (and this is not a bad thing just a point made). Another big key is that I tend to ease off when my mic is plugg'd into the mixer, meaning: my voice is coming thru the DJs monitor! That is key because he/she will not be able to hear at all. Also since i own my own mic and am a DJ and have experience with sound i know exactly how to make it so my voice soundz good (EQ wise). Many of the DJs that i perform with locally, i have experience performing with them so they know what to expect from me and vica versa. So i know APX's style and how i should mc to him vs say No Face's.


Now all of this being said, along with how much i write and practice etc., i still am probably the worst mc or sorry to many people (sum are my friendz who tell me), but it doesn't phase me for the mere fact that some people do like my style and i feel as though i put in enough work (and not simply plug my mic in and yap)


to each his/her own

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well said. chris i respect you as an MC and although i come from a different background and have been critical of your style (from the early days of "you are the DJ, i am the MC").. perhaps the strongest thing you do as an MC for the LA scene is not just "defend" but *explain* what it is that you do and what you try to bring the table with your vibe and skills. and damn you have improved.. haven't heard you in a while, must catch up with you soon partner.

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thanks chris for droppin the knowledge.

but i jus realized that the mc's i want to answer this question probably aren't going to answer this question, and it's jus a pointless rant. oh well.

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Word... I must say that I have mad respect for you Chris. I know you have high morals and standards and do what you can to give LA something dope and respectable.

I know you stated earlier that you dont take any of this personally, but either way I wanted to clarify that by no means do I refer to you when I talk about MCs who get a lil too happy with the Mic..

I know from your posts and your views that you are a classy muthaf**ka...

Thanks for puttin it down on the daily

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Werd i know HAMTZ and it s also to be said that all of this i state is my opinion from my vantage point and in no way do i speak for or reprazent any other MC or their viewpoints in LA etc.. Damn now i feel like i am writingg legal clauses in my posts, bleh.

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yeah, XYZ is definitely an intelligent MC (and person), and I love the way he explains things about how he operates... that is dope... and I respect him a lot and like his style.

DCM does have a point though, most mc's don't let the records play alone for long enough, say stupid s**t and unnecessarily yap, and call for way too many rewinds... and it sucks, because when i want to hear one of my favorite dj's and the exprerience is ruined by an mc who won't stay quiet, it SUCKS.

But it happens time and time again, and that is why this discussion will never stop...

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i am a stupid s**tty mc. i will answer u.

i call for rewinds all the time becos i'm stupid and s**tty.

i won't shut up cos i like to hear myself talk. even though it makes u cringe.

byebye.

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Thats not cool ...

Dont diss ?mark

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i think he is my least favorite mc of them all.

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when I saw MC ? at the last Bassrush I remember hearing his distinct~ YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHH
about every 30 seconds, I have been saying it nonstop since then... So if you ever hear me say
YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHH
then that's where it is from.

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well. eventhough i'm not yer typical mc, i do consider myself one in a sense and more to the point, if people see me up there with a mic, they call me an "mc"... so...i'll answer the question(s).

*Why Do I (cause i can only speak for me) always call for rewinds?*

About 75% of the time I don't. DJs (especially ones from the UK or out of town big names) often pull back records themselves and sometimes without even looking up to see/hear whether or not the crowd was even into at all. This baffles me on one level. But when it's someone like STORM who does look up and rewinds when she feels like it and when she knows the crowd is feeling it, then i don't even have to. Last night with Fabio I was happy to call a rewind on "Closer" because the crowd was having it and so was he. That seems appropriate to me.

and a side note to that Storm story, i actually almost got in a fist fight because some foolio said it was "my job" to call rewinds ...on all the tracks his drunk-ass wanted rewound. *shrug* can't please everyone!

*Why don't I know when to shut-up?*
I know this doesn't apply to me much at all, cause I have a pretty minimalistic style.

so to answer with a hypothesis:
*Why don't most MC's know when to shut-up?*
several possible reasons:
a. they are drunk
b. they are drunk and stoned
c. they are drunk and stoned and THINK they sound great!
d. the only reason they ever picked up the mic was to feed their ego and not to feed the vibe
e. they are actually feeling it so much they have lost all track of space and time (this happens)
f. they just don't care

hope this helps. peace. - rashida

[ audioangel - 2 Dec 2002 18:54 ]

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He is actually one of my favs.. Not so much for what he says but for the way he flows in and out without making a big ripple. I dont hear him trying to upstage Djs or Asking for excessive rewinds either ...

In my opinion he is pretty humble and represents having a good time whether you remember his name or not....

Once again just my opinion

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yup, that helped rashida. thanks for ur input. btw u don't fall into the s**tty mc category either, ur one of my favorites. not kissing ass cos i don't do that.

jus givin u props.

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According to Audio Angel: this was great by the way!
*****so to answer with a hypothesis:
*Why don't most MC's know when to shut-up?*
several possible reasons:
a. they are drunk
b. they are drunk and stoned
c. they are drunk and stoned and THINK they sound great!
d. the only reason they ever picked up the mic was to feed their ego and not to feed the vibe
e. they are actually feeling it so much they have lost all track of space and time (this happens)
f. they just don't care
*****
I think quite possibly a combo of all of these in many cases...

Everytime this discussion comes around the only two that respond are XYZ and Audioangel, and I don't think either of them really pertain to the issues of 1. not shutting the hell up once and a while, and 2. calling for too many rewinds...

So big ups to them for doing it proper.

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right on tammy (right?).



thanks i appreciate the props and i've witnessed enough of yer posts to know u don't kiss ass.

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on the topic of rewinds... i'm sure most of ya'll know this, but about 98.9% of jungle culture is straight lifted from the jamaican yards... the dublate bizness, most of the slang, the lighters, the boh boh boh's, the MCs, a lot in the styles of dress/dance, and the rewinds, etc, etc, etc. the difference is that in jamaican yards, if a dj were to reload a record without an overwhelming and undeniably strong request for it coming from THE CROWD, that dj just might not live to see another day. all that said, i LOVE a PROPER rewind.

on the MC topic... last night, a local jungle mc (one that's on the top of his game in my book, but who shall remain nameless) and i were talking about bassrush and he said something that got me... he said "i'd like to see any of those uk mcs at project blowed"... yes, i think that would be some comedy.

much respect to REAL rewinds and REAL MCs!

[ sumosound - 2 Dec 2002 20:22 ]