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Does Eecue practice what he preaches?

just playing devil advocate here.... sincerely.... this is just a polite question.... dave - please dont cancel/suspend my account for making a polite, intelligent counterpoint....

So JS.com and Fnorg.com both run on slacker (the interface), Apache (webserver), and FreeBSD (webserver operating system), all of which are open source, free software distributions that exist because of gracious donations/giving back from thier users.

Dave - do you/ or have you made any donations to Sourceforge, Freebsd.org, or apache.org, and if so would you be willing to provide some sort of proof? Just wondering if you practice the same principals you are pushing...

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Great post!

But, now you've gotta admit,
it takes an Emperor to rule an empire and what not,
a General can't stand for insubordination...

It would be kinda' funny if he removed your account.

At least, I would laugh.

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LOL t3_ you so crazy..


*gets popcorn*

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his webhosting isnt free though..(from what i know)
and thats what he wants money for..the web hosting.

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in his defense.. he has been paying for this site out of his own pocket for years.......

-devils advocate

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*grabs popcorn*



Never miss the previews.

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there's too many cooks in the kitchen....

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don't bite the hand that feeds you.

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the grass is always greener on the other side

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dont s**t where you eat

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dont s**t where you eat

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dont s**t where you eat

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let sleeping dogs lie

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a penny saved is a penny earned

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if you live in a glass house..dont throw stones....

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According to emmanoir ...

don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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Word up! You may think he's the wizard of js but he's only human remember. it's not like he makes money off anything. people take one of the largest contributers to the LA scene and criticque his spending??? c'mon you gotta have something better to do..

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Re: Does Eecue practice what he preaches?

ya missed the whole thread.

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damn.. exactly.. he's not charging for a service.. he just wants money to cover the expenses of running the site..

bandwidth isn't free.. but the software is....

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yeah but are we the hand that feeds or is he? lol

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According to emmanoir ...

don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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Word up! You may think he's the wizard of js but he's only human remember. it's not like he makes money off anything. people take one of the largest contributers to the LA scene and criticque his spending??? c'mon you gotta have something better to do..
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it's nebulous, dood

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that's exactly my point. neither should be mutually exclusive. the la 'scene' is heavily dependent on the survival of this website. anyone who disagrees is full of it. conversely, there would be no point in a website that nobody needed, imo.

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I believe (could be wrong about this) that he only pays bandwidth cost and manages the servers himself (I could swear he said they were physically housed at his work - agian could be wrong).

Im not stating that the site is free, simply wondering if Dave is requiring donations for a free site, while not applying those same ethics to his own dealings.

Im pretty well versed in the business of webhosting and webmanagement. My uninformed opinon (conjecture) is that the networking/referal/exposure benefits Eecue reaps from this site FAR outweigh the cost he pays for bandwidth. Effective, intelligent marketing would be icing on the cake... I personally charge $70 per hour for private IT consulting.... im sure dave, with his extensive know-how and experience could command even more...

Why dont any of the other collaborative sites similar to JS that I regularly visit/use demand donations? They operate just fine with both more and fewer registered users.

Finally, if Dave charged a flat $5 or $10 a month to use the site, who would stay and pay??? Very few in my opinion...

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at the top of every screen are the links to those sites. if people wanted to donate to those sites they easily can. (it's also good advertising for them). i don't think they're getting the raw deal. the only person i see getting a raw deal is eek and i think that sucks

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In other words, would you feel cheated if Dave was requesting "cost of operation" donations from you guys, but not doing the same/donating/giving back for the free services/products that he uses himself?

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damn good point about "networking/referal/exposure benefits"

thats gotta have a pricetag on it.
I don't think things are as bad as they are cracked up to be.

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at the top of every screen are the links to those sites. if people wanted to donate to those sites they easily can. (it's also good advertising for them). i don't think they're getting the raw deal. the only person i see getting a raw deal is eek and i think that sucks
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DAVE is using those products to run his site.... the end user/web page viewer does not pay the licensing fee for web hosting software and the OS is runs on. Those companies are grassroots organization, and the development of linux based software is extreamly costly. If you all feel we should pay for bandwidth (cost of operation), he should do the same and support the products that sustain his sites.

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According to t3___ ...

So JS.com and Fnorg.com both run on slacker (the interface), that exist(s) because of gracious donations/giving back from thier users.
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you could click on that slacker link and find out who the sole develloper and admin is... i believe dave is a major somebody in the computer 'geek world' ...not just some leach like you're thinking..

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ive asked this a million times and no one answers me dammit


if this is such a hassle to keep up and so expensive, why the hell do we keep fnorg around?????

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at the top of every screen are the links to those sites. if people wanted to donate to those sites they easily can. (it's also good advertising for them). i don't think they're getting the raw deal. the only person i see getting a raw deal is eek and i think that sucks
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btw... those links you are refering to are cryptic reference built into the the Slackware interface, not placed there by Eeccue.... nobody (except networking guys like myself) visits those links, and I can garauntee they have not elicited a donation from a JS member...

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its costs the same to keep fnorg as it does to keep js...

its just piggybacked..

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you could click on that slacker link and find out who the sole develloper and admin is... i believe dave is a major somebody in the computer 'geek world' ...not just some leach like you're thinking..

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Im not calling him anything, certainly not a leech.... simply alledging that (as has happend many times in the past) he has gotten emotional/feels unappreciated and is taking it out on the site. Im also alledging that he does not practice the same "ethics" that are his line of reasoning with regard to users donating...

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those links...I can garauntee they have not elicited a donation from a JS member...
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This site has 10,760 registered user names. True some people have aliases but not THAT many! There are a grip of people in this site. Ever notice how often this site pops up when you type in anything d'n'b'-related on google? Notice right now 68 people are on js? That's a helluva promotion! On a daily basis people are seeing those links over and over, you are not the only person to ever click them! I think you're coming at this in a very respectful way but just the fact you're calling out eecue, the man who has done sooo much, puzzles me..

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I concur as usual

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According to centrifuge ...

damn good point about "networking/referal/exposure benefits"

thats gotta have a pricetag on it.
I don't think things are as bad as they are cracked up to be.
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Unifire... this is what puzzles me:

Below is a list of Eecue's CLIENTS, taken from non other than eecue.com:

Name: concentricbeats.com
Address: 64.239.136.142

Name: 3rdeyestyles.com
Address: 64.239.136.142

Name: garrige.com
Address: 64.239.136.142

Name: ladrumnbass.com
Address: 64.239.136.142

Now lets do and NSlookup on junglescene and Eecue.com

Name: junglescene.com
Address: 64.239.136.142

Name: eecue.com
Address: 64.239.136.142

What do you know? THEY ARE ALL THE SAME! Meaning they are all on the same box using ip aliasing....

Sorry folks, but if any of those sites are paying eecue anything for hosting, youve been had....

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but I digress....

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i've tried to save dave from having to jump in this but you've gotten too techy for me *throws in the towel*

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I love your style...and you make some real valid points....


having said that it was nice knowing you in the junglescene sense....



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but I digress....
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anyone who would like to check for themselves on thier own ISP's DNS server do the following:

click on start, then run

win98 - type COMMAND then hit enter

win2000, xp and nt - type CMD then hit enter

type NSLOOKUP and hit enter
(command prompt will change to >)

being performing lookups, ommitting the www from the URL (look up the domain, not a host)...

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I love your style...and you make some real valid points....


having said that it was nice knowing you in the junglescene sense....
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I think I'll get over it... as will Dave eventually.

As was expected.... he has canceled or suspended my account at least three times, likely becuase I am informed enough to retort some of the half truths he posts online.

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Or ping the server.

Or run a traceroute to see how many hops it takes to get to the "junglescene".

I bet you a kangaroo would care.

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i've tried to save dave from having to jump in this but you've gotten too techy for me *throws in the towel*
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its simple unifire.... all those site names get forward (resolved) to the same ip address, meaning they are on the same box (same computer resolves all requests), with the same bandwidth service provider = same bill.... sorry to break it to you...

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so how much do those sites pay eecue and how much of that $ does eecue pocket? you seem to have everything figured out, so answer me those questions. all you techy mumbo jumbo crap leads me to those simple questions cuz you've proven nothing. you're coming at this topic like you've researched it. it seems kind of impulsive to me cuz you have nothing to back up anything except allegations. i only hope eecue responds to this...

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I am but a simple caveman...I do not understand your traceroutes....in fact they scare me...I do understand this though

donate if you want, don't if you don't

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But, out of those sites, which one uses up the most bandwidth? Most likely it is JS, by far.

But t3, you've brought up some good points that need to be addressed. By donating that $200, did that go towards the bandwidth of only JS? or of all of Dave's other sites as well?

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Im basing it on eecue.com.... he develops and hosts websites professionally, and has those sites listed as his clients. That would imply that they pay him money. If you cant fill in those blanks, no one will be able to explain it to you...

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But t3, you've brought up some good points that need to be addressed. By donating that $200, did that go towards the bandwidth of only JS? or of all of Dave's other sites as well?
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Exactly - Im simply stating that I think we are not getting the whole picture, and dave is grossly exagerating the cost for some reason. Net net, I seriously doubt he is losing money at the end of the day.... and Im sure virtually all his work come from JS based referals.

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What's wrong with being greedy?

It's made America the dominant superpower that it is today right?

If it makes you happy, THEN IT CAN'T BE THAT BAAAAAAAD.

Either way, whatever the REAL DEAL is, this site, IS COOL.

I mean, you're on it right?

So why not contribute?

I still want an address to send my "offering".

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Im sure virtually all his work come from JS based referals.
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ok now you're being ignorant. dave only asked for $200! so much of this site is his work, why should he have to pay for people to go on it? so what if he gets A contact or TWO here n there through this site...you really think he's going to make bank off concentricbeats.com (a site dedicated to a dvd about the LA scene), etc? all this music stuff is his hobby, something to the side of his normal life. his job sustains his income, he is not ripping anybody off.

i guess if you don't know eecue you could think a lot of terrible things about him. personally i know him, have been through some rough times with the guy, but through that i've come to respect him more than just about anybody in the scene.

i'm telling you i doubt the $ generated from his hobbies are going in his pockets cuz he doesn't need it! t hat's why he has a job (that's quite lucrative i hear). dave has been behind the scene for a long ass time and has a good track record so why even doubt him? maybe i'm over-appreciative and too quick to dispell conspiracy theories. maybe i'm gullible & naive. and maybe you're paranoid.

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Just kidding on the greedy thing BTW, in case the sarcasm wasn't easily caught like Mayor Barry with his cracksmoking and use of prostitution(though she was supposedly just a hooker that was his friend, not a hooker he was paying).


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/library/dc/barry/barry.htm



(Just tryin' tah switch'a dah sub Ject)