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WHY IS IT A STANDARD IN D&B TO ONLY PLAY NEW TUNES???

*girls sleep with uk dj's for dubplates.

*guys try and steal dub plates out of dj's bags.

*people pester producers for unreleased material.

*If someone drops a classic its frowned uppon..

*How can a tune that has never made it to the radio and only less then 5% of the worlds population heard be considerd played out??

Actually for that matter why can a tune be considerd played out at all????

IS THIS ATTITUDE CAUSING D&B TO IMPLODE ON ITSELF?????????? OR IS IT ALL ABOUT THE DUB PLATE FLAVOR OF THE WEEK AND NOTHING ELSE????

[ dj_dimas - 7 Apr 2004 15:54 ]
[ dj_dimas - 7 Apr 2004 15:52 ]
[ dj_dimas - 7 Apr 2004 15:52 ]

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who cares what people think play what you like

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ITS NOT WHAT YOU PLAY, ITS HOW YOU PLAY IT!!!!!!!

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According to dj_dimas ...

*If someone drops a classic its frowned uppon..
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well what do you mean by classic? if you're referring to a track that was on the top 40 two years ago, i'd agree some people frown upon that by i don't consider that a classic. i think most people like hearing actual classics, it sure seemed like it at respect last week for instance. trips down memory lane (or even further back for some) seem to come off pretty well at parties. hearing the same new tunes week in and week out gets tired (although i still appreciate it... in moderation).

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example of classic = warhead

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are we talking the original or remix?

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example of classic = warhead
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thats not true I always play classics and people love the s**t.

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i try an only buy timeless tunes.
Tunes that will never get old to me.
But i always try an incorperate a jump-up of the month in there.

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i never understood that. a good dj can rock a crowd with any tracks. new, old, classic, whatever... it's what you do with them. can we blame dubplate 'culture' again?

i remember people were giving roni size s**t for playing 'brown paper bag' a few bassrushes ago (when tali mc'd). wtf??? it's a classic. it's one of my fave tracks ever. and... it's his f**kin' tune!



[ hellvetica - 7 Apr 2004 16:19 ]

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according hellvetica: remember people were giving roni size s**t for playing 'brown paper bag' a few bassrushes ago (when tali mc'd). wtf??? it's a classic. it's one of my fave tracks ever. and... it's his f**kin' tune!
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jeez I guess it goes for all DJ's welp atleast the D&B culture hates upon equally ha ha

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DnB is progressive music, it is natural that people are going to want to hear the NEWEST OF THE NEW..that's what drum n bass is ALL about, new sounds....

that being said a good dj will mix it up....

but really...please stop bitching and go out

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but really...please stop bitching and go out
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ha ha ha ha

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consistent change

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true it's change. it's progressive music. etc...

our music isn't mainstream. but the turnover / turnaround is soooooo fast. i'm not a dj and i can sense it. thank goodness i'm not a dj (besides that i would suck) and don't have to "keep up." a dnb tune gets "played out" faster than any pop tune.

does this happen in any other electronic / dance genre? or any other music genre? punk? f**k. the club bangers listen to 80s s**t that's 20 years old. what about "classic rock?" i dunno what i'm talking about...

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Martin your issues are so on point!!!! I agree with everyhting your saying!!!!

TRUE It does not make sense that a D&B track gets played out faster then a POP track... Its a factor that hurts D&B...

[ dj_dimas - 7 Apr 2004 17:25 ]
[ dj_dimas - 7 Apr 2004 17:24 ]

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*Generally speaking* Producers who DJ (with a big D) can't make new money from old tracks. If their sh!t ain't hot, they don't get booked.

Thankfully, there are djs (with a little d) that play more diverse tunes, regardless of age. They keep the music alive because they don't only move forward, but they look backward as well.

Or, at least, that's my theory.

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thats one of the many reasons i really dont care for it anymore...

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Why don't we just try to expose new heads to the music instead of rinsing out the same 'ol same 'ol to the same 'ol same 'ol???

I would imagine that a new open minded fresh bunch of headz wouldn't know f**k all of a dubplate from an old vinyl track....This music is so vast and has built a good bit of history behind it thus far...I don't have a problem finding tunes that are older that I've not heard...There really is a lot out there to explore, chances to be taken on lables that aren't well known, Producers that haven't
released but a couple tracks...it's just a matter of how deep you want to dig, how deep and diverse your taste is....the sound does change and progress so often it's true...but it also comes right back around again full circle where what's old eventually becomes new again...

I don't get too frustrated with the whole DP thang anymore...usually by the time something is released it's already canned to death and I've lost interest by then (i.e. "NEO" loved the track...Never bought it, probably wont ever) There is this tiny window of opportunity that Producers should realize closes in the split second of an eye when they leave their s**t on plate too long....by the time that s**t drops we're on to the next thing...Honestly, I have no idea why D&B has such a short "shelf life" in most cases. When I go out to hear Dj's, I like to hear the whole history of the music being represented in some way, I'm not really interested in hearing the "HITS" being played one on top of the other. I don't perceive a set like that as somebody who is "in the know" but more like somebody who doesn't take the time to incorporate the history and richness that the music has to offer and if none of us DJ's are doing that, then what's the point?

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all very good points with substance noir...

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hi
dont normally chime in on this but..
its just l.a

everywhere else, people are jus kinda glad dnb is playing. (from my experiences so far)

la seems to be trainspot headquarters

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^^^ fully agree

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and just to add, it makes it frustrating for people tryin to get their foot in the door as a dj in this scene if the way to get known is to get the latest s**t or s**t still on dub...very true that by the time s**t is released in record stores its already played out....i mean i've heard of some dj's downloadin a new dub off soulseek or something and cutting it to a plate just to play it out, which has to be some sort of a copyright violation i'm sure....

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WHY IS IT A STANDARD IN D&B TO ONLY PLAY NEW TUNES???

--It is? Wow I gotta try that! Thanks man!

LOL

[ fatalerror - 7 Apr 2004 21:51 ]

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i can't STAND that whole lame ass mentality of standing arms crost in front of the decks, looming and leering over the mixer and s**t to spot dem labels....like c'mon ppl. are we so concerned bout thator are we just trying to appease the lack or inability of greatness and like why is it always about having one up on the other?!??!?!!?
just hang ur apron and sit down
quit hating and start dancing dammit!

geeesh
some ppl suck asS

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everywhere else, people are jus kinda glad dnb is playing. (from my experiences so far)

la seems to be trainspot headquarters
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werd......

wonder if all the kids here just don't get out of town enough.

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playboygerrl well stated i see that ALL the time at parties

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Accorinng to drum-fuzion.... "dj's downloadin a new dub off soulseek or something and cutting it to a plate just to play it out, which has to be some sort of a copyright violation i'm sure...."

That's on some real poseur s**t right there.

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because some DJs lack the confidence to just drop what they want...

f**k-en pussys

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I throw down old records all the time. Pacman(the original), Titan, Hide U, the nine, Planet dust, the list goes on. It is important to play the new s**t that's hot right now, but if you know how to do it, you can throw down any record no matter how old and make it sound tight. If you don't believe me, come check out back2life on the 16th.

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its all about the obscure track from 2002 that nobody knows about but you, you play it with all your current releases & promos and people come up to you and go "HEY, whats that track?" and you go, "blah blah blah from 2002" and they go "Oh Really??, WOW! Sounds like it just came out"


...thats why you should play old tracks

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YOU FIRST FELL IN LOVE WITH D&B CAUSE IT WAS DIFFERENT...

SO DONT CONTRADICT THE REASON YOU GOT INTO D&B IN THE FIRST PLACE AND FALL INTO A COOKIE CUTTER MOLD LIKE THE REST OF THE DJ'S SCUFFLING AROUND TO PLAY ONLY NEW TRACKS...

To all you who think that dropping old tracks makes a dj look behind the times, guess again, that fewl is up on history and in order to succeed in the future you gotta know the past...

Werd to those who do thier own thang and dont follow the mold, its okay to drop tracks from all era's of D&B.

[ dj_dimas - 8 Apr 2004 01:00 ]
[ dj_dimas - 8 Apr 2004 00:57 ]

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its not so much playing old tracks, its when you hear f**king 3 dillinja tracks in a set thats makes me bad and the djs spin it like they think their badass!

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i'd say atleast 90% of what i spin is NOT new.
the great majority of my collection happens to be from 1996-2001. i spin what i spin because i know it's the best, not because "it was released two weeks ago from the most popular & commercial producer(s) out there....(so this automatically makes it really good)."

this is some lame bs in my opinion. i see alottt of people doing this & acting like this too.


[ etcetera - 8 Apr 2004 04:04 ]
[ etcetera - 8 Apr 2004 04:03 ]

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it's natural for people to want to hear constant new music but i wouldn't say playing classics is really looked down upon. it's just that who wants to go to a party and see a big name DJ playing a set full of tunes that they already have and can play anytime at home? i know i don't. classics are always welcome when they're good tunes, that's why their classics but when i go out and pay money to see a DJ i don't want to hear nothing but classics (unless it's an oldschool set) i want to hear something fresh and new

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D&B was born out of new tunes and it continues to feed off them. That's part of d&b's constantly evolving sound, which has created this Dubplate/promo culture that we all must succumb to.

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It's not just D&B. I've played hip-hop for the last 16 years and that's just as much about having new tunes. Even though there's a bunch of DJ's playing old school hip-hop. Back in the day, when you were playing a house party or club, if you didn't have the new bangers, nobody wanted to hear you. That's true of any DJ in any genre. It's born out of the radio/club DJ's scene and how they were so reliant on promos from the labels. Nothing has changed, now it's just more apparent. I like playing old tunes as much as the next guy, but you gotta admit it's a good feeling when you hear something you like that you've never heard before.

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keep a nice mix of both.....I hate to drop names but Whizard, Phear, Randy-J, Kingpin, Unit, Melicious, etc etc etc....all drop a good mix of new and old tunes.

without dubplate culture we would stop progressing, and producers would stop trying so much.

and without the older "proven" tunes we would forget our roots....

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I hope I don't offend anyone but... doesn't this happen with all electronic music? I mean.. to play an instrument as opposed to playing a record is very different. Anyone can DJ, and anyone can say.. play guitar, but not anyone can write songs for a guitar that people enjoy listening to, but DJs don't write songs, they just find them. So you get a million DJs looking for songs and what do you think they're going to do to be better than the next? They're going to be searching out for s**t no one has and that no one has heard. Hence the constant progression. That's just the way it is and always will be.

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I'm probably slitting my throat on this one(UK vs US)... but that's the difference between the "dons" in the scene (i.e Groove, Frost, Bryan G, Fabio and the like) and every body else.
I've been into D&B for nearly 10 years and I am still open to being educated by those who know and those who push this thing forward. I hear so much disrespect about those guys on JS and around the scene it's just ridiculous...foolish mortals always biting the hand that feeds and not realizing that we're all lining our pockets (some of us) on something that they created. We are "contributing" we didn't really innovate a damn thing in D&B---I tend to keep my mind and ears open and my mouth shut when it comes to the UK. We aren't necessarily deserving of their plates and just because we have a handful of talent now really making a big shake up in the scene, doesn't mean they owe us anything...I also agree that it's an "LA" thing people jocking, talking smack and such and it makes me really tired at times. I feel that if I am going to make a step in trying to represent D&B, I want to do it correctly. I want to be educated and want somebody to show me something I don't know, and from that I can take and make something special. I hear "kids" in the scene talking about "Classic" Bad Company like there was NOTHING before them, and that anything before them is "dated" and "old" and useless. Sometimes I'll be in Amoeba or something and kids will be fishing around for tunes and somebody will go, "ooh what's this?" and then his boy will look at it and go "oh, that's from 96 that's wack!" This is the kind of stuff that goes on and it's reflective of the attitude in our scene, everybody talking s**t while chasing the f**k out of it!
Things aren't this way over there, people still respect the dubplate culture and respect the people who run it--I wish people, in LA in particular, were more open minded, and respected the scene as a global force. People tend to think so small(local) forgetting there are sectors of the entire PLANET that are feeling this and trying to do something. It's absolutely GREAT to be proud of our local scene and support it but if we're not supporting EVERYBODY WORLDWIDE then we are hurting the scene, not helping.
We can get around the dublate politics, we just have to have the education and the tools to do so. Blah, Blah, Blah, moral to the story...DIG IN YOUR CRATES, RESPECT THE DUBPLATE (cause it has an important role), AND DO YOUR OWN THING (without disrespecting anyone and forgetting where it came from).

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crush:ed dnb = crush educational drum n bass

PDX represent !!

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Cause Drum & Bass is about new s**t . It is a music that is intent on pushing the envelope on a constant basis.

-New styles

-New sounds

-New production techniques

-Surprises and good music

THA NEW HOTNESS IS WHAT DNB IS ABOUT!!!

so it only logical there is a desire to play and hear new s**t. anyone can play old stuff thats easy all it take is research and your off to the record store(or online shop). acquiring brand new tunes through your talent, networking ability, djing, production, management etc is damn hard! All of these things manifest themselves through the live performance imo.
Ive noticed djs who drop new tracks, still dropping classics in their set though so its all good.


oh yeah jungle isnt the only music that is all about playing new stuff. seems house and trance are the same way to. djs like to play new stuff period. yes there is a classic here and there but sets are usually driven by exclusives and new releases.

[ jayvon - 8 Apr 2004 11:22 ]

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good point jayvon, but some of the new s**t is absolute crap and it still gets dropped because "its on dub" and no one else has it..., if its hot...play it, period. regardless of age.

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what one person thinks is hot another may not. so they may actually be playing the song because they like it and not because it's "new".

at the same time, if you're picking your tunes off the top 40 all the time, you're not doing something any other guy can't do. i just wish all deejays could stay true to themselves and play what they themselves are feeling at the moment of their set. get more personal with their songs so their passions flows through it

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according to drum_fuzion: .....some of the new s**t is absolute crap and it still gets dropped because "its on dub" and no one else has it...
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Ohhh fawk thats such a good point.. ON-DUB does not mean instantly COOL. Theres a difference


After reading through the posts I did come to one very viable conclusion..

PRODUCERS who are working thier ass off in the studio should definately play out thier new tunes, thats just taking the artform to another level which is very commendable and RESPECTED...

But to those half-steppin new jack trainspotters who dont produce thier own tracks and stand infront of a DJ with thier arms crossed critisizing a DJ for dropping an old tune need to STEP-OFF!

Or that newbie DJ who thinks they will get instant credibilty cause they jaked some other dj's dubs or went on soulseek to steal new tracks should STEP-OFF!

Or the newbie DJ who has no street cred nor has contributed nothing to the scene actually PESTERING a producer for new tracks is a little sick minded they need to STEP-OFF!

They have lost sight of what the music is all about, first and foremost this was not started as a competition to see who is the badass with the most obscure tracks, this is about a skilled knowledgeable dj and the dancers who are there to have a good time!

[ dj_dimas - 8 Apr 2004 11:51 ]

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keep in mind not everyone has access to the top 40 tunes in dnb which was the point i was trying to make. so its not easy. i can't play the same tunes as dj ype, andy c, roni size etc even though i know about all the tunes. so i have to disagree with you. power, respect and influence have alot to do with access to new tunes.



which leads me to the question who are these deejays that are guilty of playing only new stuff thats wack? LETS HEAR SOME NAMES

Not to mention alot of people cleary dont like alot of the new styles coming out so they say its wack. I havnt heard any wack tunes when i have gone to Respect, Bassrush or any other major dnb event with djs who have access to dubs.

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what one person thinks is hot another may not. so they may actually be playing the song because they like it and not because it's "new".

at the same time, if you're picking your tunes off the top 40 all the time, you're not doing something any other guy can't do. i just wish all deejays could stay true to themselves and play what they themselves are feeling at the moment of their set. get more personal with their songs so their passions flows through it
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[ jayvon - 8 Apr 2004 12:19 ]

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^ ^ ^ alot of very intresting responces above mine, i saw atleast three that i wanted to quote, but i couldn't figure out how.
Well anyways, yes dnb is constantly evolving & progressing, so whatever is brand new coming out would have a certain level of importance, but alot of people exagerate it, and sugar-coat it... Alot of the new stuff coming out, SUCKS....but don't get me wrong, a few are still really good.
Since there's been minimal supreme releases in the passed year or two, what i spin is mainly 1996-2001. I could care less if it's "New"....if it's no good, it's no good.

**I play alot of really rare tunes from those years though, alot of which i'm sure most, (if not all) of you have never heard.....Which is equivalent to the "Brand New" stuff that everyone's so crazy about, because it's fresh to the ear....and you don't know what the exact suprise & vibe is....and then it hits ..

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^ ^ ^and in responce to what unifire said...


...i actually get VERY personal & passionate with what i play, every song is there for a reason...

My sets will be available soon. (Hopefully very soon).

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dub-plate culture is equivilent to any power-related structure, imo. in this city (LA), most headliners that are from here or come through have the newest hottest s**t. people are excited to hear "what they have in store" as far as new tracks. if the tracks suck and they're set sucks, that would most likely reflect on their track selection as a DJ. just one piece of the pie.

new s**t is not always good... good s**t is not always new. play good s**t!!

what i prefer is a DJ who pulls from old and new to create a beautiful set that make me wanna dance and keeps my interest.

obtaining dubs illegally and begging for them is just plain disrespectful. but i think that's pretty obvious.

[ bass.whore - 8 Apr 2004 12:37 ]

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who are these deejays that are guilty of playing only new stuff thats wack? LETS HEAR SOME NAMES
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i can't tell you names, i don't even know what's on the top 40 or even the names of 5% of the pop tunes i do hear all the time. all i'm saying is if some dude goes to the record shop just to listen to new releases all the time, chances are they're not going to have many bangers.

say for instance the records were like videos at blockbuster, there's usually about 2 or 3 new releases i'm interested in seeing but i usually look to the older stuff because the current wave of stuff just doesn't amount to much in the big picture besides HYPE.

there's so much more out there. for deejays who go the extra mile to find innovative tracks i give a big thumbs up. deejays like phear and randy j for instance.

on the keeping it real note though, if a dj plays all new tracks and mixes them clean i'm happy. especially if the mix has peaks and valleys and isn't too manic. it's got to go somewhere (that's where good variation lends a strong hand).

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if you dont have direct access to the label or artist whos dubplate it is. you shouldnt play it no matter what. promos is bogarts. but then again its just a f**kin song so who really cares but i do think its funny that no name djs will play the same dubs/promos of like black sun empire or say evol intent (for you cool scene cats) and then stand tall when the song goes off as if they are someone... it really fustrates me, and your not fooling me.

[ a.masterbating.fruit - 8 Apr 2004 12:50 ]