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I see the word "dubstep" on a lot of flyers...

..but I dont see dubstep djs playing the parties. or atleast, theyre names that I dont know a dubstep djs. whats up?

whos playing dubstep now that isnt admiting it? who's some of the new kids that arent speaking up?

we're friendly people - make yourself known!

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you have scared them off

LOL

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got skreamizm 3..
it's pretty dope!

got some burial x, some distance, digi mistiks, kode 9, benga, loefah, narco.hz...

xseems like tempa, planet mu, and narco.hz have the good distro goin on...

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dude, we are so not friendly! *bares teeth* grrr.

we have to keep em scared, or the music wont seem 'hard' enough!

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17 people dj'ing at poolside pressure, dude. that's quite a lot since there were about 5 people doing it in july.

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pretty cool i guess

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oh and non-vinyl dj's [serato/torq].....




[ teekay - 15 May 2007 19:39 ]

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guess i better set up that pay for my dubplates to get pressed paypal account.

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Weird, I have two vinyl records that came with my Serato... last I checked I still needed two Technics too...

Hey call up Ritchie Hawtin, Craze, Plastician, Rectangle, Z-trip, DJ Jazzy Jeff, and whoever else is using serato EXCLUSIVELY and tell them they're not real djs too, umkay...

[ kidlogic - 15 May 2007 20:37 ]

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you can't be serious.

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oh and non-vinyl dj's [serato/torq].....




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lol

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i tried to keep an open mind to digi-dj'ing UNTILL i started working on a sound rig.

after seeing and hearing the difference there's no way i can endorse bringing a computer to a show.

unless your doing visuals.

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how about cd's?

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how you gonna kill a soundboy with a 3rd place sound? Don't you want that Champion Sound?

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It all has to do with the quality of the sound files and the dj behind the console. I too am an Audio Engineer and I have been using Serato for over a year. On big systems. Ive played sets that have gone between vinyl and Serato and have gotten compliments from FOH engineers about how my levels sounded consistant through out the whole show.
I would never play an MP3 rendered at anything less than 320k, and seriously, if you can tell the difference between that and a .wav or a CD (most of the time worse quality than .wav) you should get out of live sound and into mastering professionally.
I cant speak for others and I cant speak for Torq, Final Scratch or any other system's users or products, but if you know sound then you also know that Serato is quality, and if you DJ you know that Rane is quality. You should also understand that a tool is just a tool, and the user determines the final outcome. The mixer is also a tool, and if used improperly it can make a set sound horrible too.
Im not disagreeing that a bad/low quality mp3 sounds bad, and that poor quality is amplified on a large system, but this debate is tired. Vinyl is superior, but not always viable, and just as there are bad quality mp3s etc, there are poorly pressed records that sound equally as bad.
So please, dont lump all timecode users into the same catagory, just as you cant lump all djs into the same catagory. Some suck, and some know what theyre doing.

Dont blame the tool, blame the user.

[ kidlogic - 16 May 2007 13:39 ]

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I really dont care - just dont trainwreck.... keep the party goin... whatver you use is cool with me

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Take a look at this list and tell me that its that big of a deal. If it was, I doubt any of these DJs would be using it...

http://www.scratchlive.net/djs/?dj=dubfire

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Sorry for the thread jack homie, just tired of all these haters who hate for the wrong reasons... I really dont care either and Im sure 90% of the audience could give two cares about it too.

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do wut u gotta do, but any dj who wants to take it seriously should have a couple dubplates in their bag. its our job to keep this culture alive, thats wut i like about dubstep because it is geared more towards vinyl/dubplates, which i think dnb/jungle has sadly strayed from.

oscar gets lonely too, go say hi and give the man a hug

but ummmmm yea, just play good music

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Dude, I would love to play every mp3 I have as a dubplate. I love everything about vinyl and wish it wasnt a dying format... and so damn expensive. Thats why I went with Serato over CDJs...

And honestly, I think the mp3 culture in dubstep is more alive and current than actuall dubplates. I know that alot of them get pressed in the UK, but I know alot of producers off the dubstepforum that have gotten signed due to their mp3s being posted on there. I dont think Serato is anti dubplate, I just think it makes it more accessable to everyone and keeps it moving along faster. I have tracks that are getting released late this summer that I got directly from the producers last winter. The only way that would happen in DnB is if I was a huge UK headliner and playing all the time. Instead, this puts unknowns' tracks in the hands of more giging DJs, thus getting them more exposure, and eventually helping sales.

I know that in other styles of electronic music tracks get taken off soulseek and other illegal download sites, but it seems in dubstep that this happens alot less often and that people are more honest.

[ kidlogic - 16 May 2007 15:24 ]

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Oh yeah... can we get back to the real matter at hand? Who should go back to back at Poolside Presha Sessions?

please answer here --> http://junglescene.com/forums/browse.php?fid=130&tid=1069

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so let me get this straight...a thread that started out simply asking who is playing dubstep, possibly in a different name or whatever, has turned into the lame ass cd/mp3/serato/vinyl/dubplate argument that we have seen time and time again....

sad
=*(

please return to the original subject
=)

edit:
oh yeah...i play dubstep as JASON, although kemst has booked me as JSN before...whatevers clever

[ vigilante - 16 May 2007 15:24 ]

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I see the word "anal" in this thread.

:P

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Sorry to bring up a subject that has been done to death a hundred times but Im really getting tired of uninformed people talking smack about something they seem to know nothing about.

Back to the original thread topic...

[ kidlogic - 16 May 2007 15:27 ]

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Oh, and help pick who's going with who on Saturday...

Please...

so much talent, I cant decide...

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if i was a 100 lb. globe-troting dj like a craze or a-trak or ritchie hawtin, and had to pass through customs, and carry records, i too would be tempted to switch-over.

i see the advantages of sacrificing proper sound if that was the case.

but for me it's not.

at the end of the day it's just a discussion and i'm sharing my opinions.

no kids were meant to be harmed!

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No harm done, just feel that I had to defend myself and my Serato brethren against a Grandma's boy...

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let your 320's do the talking...

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i personally think that more cats putting s**t to plate would self regulate the quality control based on expense alone (there are a lot of mediocre tunes i hear on mixes lately), but you can't hate on a good dj using whatever tool they have at their disposal.

personally i hope i dont hear too may repeated tracks on saturday so everyone should play some exclusive s**t no matter what the format.

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teekay, I am more than happy to let my 320s speak for themselves... why dont you come over to the show on saturday and hear for yourself. There will be at least three of us using Serato for the show. JSM me for directions...

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dont have to play exclusively dubs, i dont think anyone has the money for that (except joe nice).
i say use all the mediums (cd's, vinyl, dubplates, serato, etc.) but most importantly
JUST PLAY GOOD MUSIC!!!!!

blah blah blah blah blah, oh, and blah....

c u guys saturday

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joe uses a lot of his booking money for plates. no joke. dave q also cuts everything to plate.

[ oneup - 17 May 2007 09:19 ]

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mmmmmmm, they must reak of laquer, LOL

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Hey, on the topic of one off cuts, has anyone ever heard or even seen one of these..? - http://www.vinylcarvers.com/feedback.html

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yea,
everlasting dubplates.
weird, some cutters/masterers say there is no such thing.
other says its tru........

they arent dubplates, they are some weird vinyl derivative............

but yea, i c scott got some so, hmmmmmmmmmmmm

then there is the lightweights, lite ass dubplates.........

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wow thats called going back to the "topic"

Let that s**t die!

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not too into spinning it yet, but I have been having a great time making it....
Pawn and I got down on some dirty west coast s**t not too long ago....

dj's hit me up for tunes after Saturday... Pawn has the lock on them for the pool party madness.

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DIE!!!!

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gotta work saturday, i'll try to listen online...

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Well, show yourselves DJ's! Where are you all? Trust, that little exchange about mp3s in no way reflects the dubstep scene in LA - We all friendly!

I apologize again for the thread-jack, I know alot of it was my fault, homie caught me on a bad day yesterday and it bothered me that he basically insulted a good chunk of DJs based on what sounds like one bad experience...

Now, back to the matter at hand...

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Right on bro, sorry you cant make it out...

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Yea man.. watch out for .com and Pawn.. So SOOOOO DRRTY!


I think some of the dubstep there makin is some of there best music..
Dont sleep on them

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yeah man, Killing your Sound and Under Mi Sensi are TUNES!!!! Lookin forward to hearin more on saturday...

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[ teekay - 17 May 2007 13:46 ]

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I hope thats a typo... the flier says 5/20 but the post says 5/19 and Id really like to come out, but, Im busy on Sat...

If it is Saturday, it'd be dope if you can play the show!

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Man is just upsetting to see this discussion over and over again dubstep has been around from the days of industrial and garage. nothing new. Its raw basslines i see why people are finally taking the time to listen to it.

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dubstep as we know it really started with skream and benga round 2002, but i digress.

who else is pushing the sound? bedroom prodcuers? bedroom djs? time to come out. i had to play this stuff at home for years before anyone took notice but it's time to take it to the people.

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here here

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personally i hope i dont hear too may repeated tracks on saturday so everyone should play some exclusive s**t no matter what the format.
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that record swap is on sunday..sorry bout the confusion.

and i think this discussion about compressed audio is relevant to dubstep, being that mp3 is a lossy format.

from my understanding, that loss is mostly the upper and low ends of the sound spectrum.

low end being bass.

so with dubstep having dynamic bass, the loss, is, of the texture of the bass.

again, these are just my opinions, but,
my opinions mostly come from my 15 years of event production experience.

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192kbps mp3s ripped with a good prog like LAME will sound cd quality with low and high intact. 320 kbps are nearly twice the bitrate of a cd so there really is no loss of quality. 320 mp3s or FLACs or ogg played on serato sound twice ass good as cds.