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Why do you not VOTE.

I almost got into a fist figth at work over this. This kat just does not give a sh*t. But had no good reasons why he does not vote. But does make statements of how f'd the country. Give me one good reason why to not vote.

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2000 and 2004 aren't enough?

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bilderberg group

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1) Because in essence some believe 1 vote doesn't matter.

2) If you genuinely won't compromise ur principles and vote for the either/or. Like if u were a Ron Paul supporter and u refuse to vote for the lesser of 'evils' in either McCain or Obama

3) I personally don't vote on initiatives if i haven't read on them. I leave them blank.

4) Laziness, Traffic, Taking off From Work, In-Experience


just some reasons i would think

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Also is it really better for an uninformed person to vote than it is for them to not vote because they don't know what they are voting for?

and mind u there is a diff between uninformed and ill-informed.

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ya i say dont talk on the subject if you dont vote. you obviously pay no attention so dont try actin like you know. in this country voting is a f**king right and a i believe its our civil duty. if you dont wanna see change, stop complaining and stop being so ignorant.

i respect people with an opinion and a conscience. right or wrong. go vote!

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but yes, please inform yourself first. its easier than you think...

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Fist fighting over it... HAHA! Fuck Polytricks!

I'm happy where I'm at! When that changes I might consider casting my drop into the pool.

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I'm no spring chicken anyone remember Ross Perot. He almost swung and election We don't have to settle and we let 35% of the population vote for us. Just asking I was pretty heated earlier. XYZ great point Illinformend def are not the ones we need voting.

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By the way my co-workers ignorance is what caused this. Not only is he ignorant but believes he has all the answer. Which I don't think any of us have.

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i honestly believe its all a show and we really have no control what so ever. but i'm not saying it's always been that way. it could easilly be the fault of the people not giving a s**t which gave too much power to those who bought this country a long time ago.

we are all complacent

the populace doesnt give a flying f**k about anything.

if we did, we wouldnt be driving period.


[ jos - 15 Jul 2008 15:35 ]
[ jos - 15 Jul 2008 15:34 ]

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lol
Pawn & Blaze would be happy to know that i am now a registered voter.

"I dont trust these motha f**kas"!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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^^^
YAY KELLYD... NO WAY!
hahah oh and btw that was a epic night

"I DONT TRUST THOSE MUTHA FUKKAS!"

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I'd rather protest than vote.

The illusion of choice vs. demanding change that would lead to actual choices... I think the latter seems more fulfilling.

I'm writing in Ron Paul this year, though.

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A vote is a protest in a sense. U can either change things from the outside by throwing stones or be on the inside and change things imo.

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we live in a free country where we can do just about anything we want. we have the right to. we also have a right to vote for the person to run our country. most counties dont have that right. they get a leader wether they like it or not. i say the least thing we can contribut to our country is VOTE. its not that hard, and if you are one of those people that think if you vote then you will get jury duty. thats not true, you can get jury duty even if you dont register to vote.

my 2 cents.

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cus a 2 time felon w/ a strike, good enough for you?

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Yeah, but the assumption underlying voting is that we actually have a choice.

I submit to you that since the vast majority (maybe all?) of our presidents to date have been related, our government is representative of an aristocracy that has manipulated us into believing we're free when we are actually slaves.

The odds against having a succession of related leaders in this country defies the idea that this is anything but calculated.

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A vote is a protest in a sense. U can either change things from the outside by throwing stones or be on the inside and change things imo.
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ignorance is bliss.
the media is scary we are conditioned to ignore what is happening because the reality portrayed by the media is one of TERROR....

also I always vote, but I realize that in this 2 party system my choices are dumb and dumber.. non of the people I have ever voted for has even come close to winning an election so I understand why people would opt out...
the system simply does not work..
winner take al elections with less than half the people voting seems liek a far cry from anything even closely resembling democracy... every other industrialized country in the world gives you a day off just so you can vote...
but here in the land of the free you are lucky if your boss will give you 5 extra minutes to run back home to your assigned polling station to participate in the "democratic " process.

things are not black and white.
there are reasonable people that want to vote but can not for a multitude of reasons.

in california a democratic state it seems pointless to vote for any one that doesn't agree with the democrats.
again no one I have ever voted for has mad et into any public office...

so I understand people no wanting o vote.. even though I do not agree with it..
I vote even though I know my vote won't change s**t.

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I’ll give you more that one. The state of California is, for the most part a liberal state. Meaning, for President, the state will vote for a democrat, in staggering numbers compared to other states.

Electoral college- If McCain pulls in 2 million votes, and Obama pulls in 6 million, those extra 4 million votes go into the trash, all because of the Electoral College. Remember Bush lost to Gore in the popular vote. My vote doesn’t mean squat.

Money buys elections-There is such an emphasis on how much money is brought in for the election campaign. This means they can hire the best marketing people, and sell you on voting for them. More commercials mean more votes. It has nothing to do with qualification.

The system is broken- A voter can study up on the candidates, check their past votes in the senate, pay attention to the possibilities of who the candidate will likely put in their cabinet, and vote accordingly. But, some dip that has been brainwashed by pundits, and scared into voting by P Diddy stressing “Vote or Die” will vote one way, just because he or she seems cool. That means all that studying was for nothing, that voters vote has been cancelled out by some dip.

There are plenty more. Most importantly voters have no idea how politics work. Nor could they, it is such a complicated process that it would enlist a full time job just to comprehend everything.

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Yeah, but the assumption underlying voting is that we actually have a choice.
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u do have a choice. to vote for someone or write someone in. that is a choice. u can't be selfish and want everything your way and just cause ur choice doesn't win say u don't have a choice (not saying u per say, i mean 'you' in general). That is a choice. Not doing anything or choosing not to vote is a choice. Even sitting idle is a choice. If there is an alternative to what u are doing/thinknig u are making a choice thus everything is a choice in some form or fashion.

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yes but even If I convinced every single Californian voter to write in scooby doo. it still wouldn't make him president..
I too get mad a t non voters an dI have always voted. but I only vote to fulfill my civil duty.. I don't think I will affect reality.

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Fair enough, but is that really a choice?

Nobody's ever won by write-in, no huge corporate lobbies pay for write-in candidate campaigns, no major parties support write-in candidates.

The illusion of choice is that we are presented a giant douche and a turd sandwich, and all other candidates are downplayed. I mean... Ron Paul got the shaft from all media networks even as a major party candidate - they refused to give him even half of the air time they gave to douchebags like Giuliani, all based on Paul's rejection of the official "Republican" agenda.

Political parties have even removed the choice of candidates from the people by introducing superdelegates. Now parties have full control over the way party candidates are chosen, which is unconstitutional - this is not government of, by, and for the people.

So you're right... but just on a technicality, because corporate funding (i.e. lobbying) and/or support of major political players (i.e. Bush family for McCain, Zbiegniew Brzezinski for Obama) with their own agendas is really how candidates are made valid. Would you agree or disagree?

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u do have a choice. to vote for someone or write someone in. that is a choice. u can't be selfish and want everything your way and just cause ur choice doesn't win say u don't have a choice (not saying u per say, i mean 'you' in general). That is a choice. Not doing anything or choosing not to vote is a choice. Even sitting idle is a choice. If there is an alternative to what u are doing/thinknig u are making a choice thus everything is a choice in some form or fashion.
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The true question of this post should be why do you not vote on local or state elections. These are the candidates that truly shape our country. George Bush could not take us to war on his own. He has to get approval on practically everything he does. This is what that whole checks and balances is all about.

Because of local politicians, some areas allow medical marijuana dispensaries, and some don’t. There are tons of other types of these initiatives that are important, but with the wrong or right politician in office, these things that matter to you can come to light, or get swept under the run.

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really though I voted against arnold.. and I vote every single time there is anything out there to vote on.. sometimes(rarely) like with prop 215 does anything I vote for actually go into effect. plus the lack of information about who's who and what is what makes for a very uniformed electorate.
the sad part as that joe sixpack could give a s**t about voting and would be happy to send their offspring out t save democracy in Iraq without giving it a second thought.. everything from the media to the school system is designed to separate us from our ability to make informed and rational decisions.

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^^^^^^^^^^
So true. But why do people not care. I think its because whole process is so complicated. There is a reason why Washington DC has the most lawyers out of any where in the country.

How are people suppose to understand politics when schools really don't address that subject. This is where voting for members of your local school board come into play.

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could you please source this statement andy?
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the vast majority (maybe all?) of our presidents to date have been related,
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good points in this thread xyz--- this one especially! protesting is like yelling at a broken toaster, if you want it to work you f**king act to fix it. make s**t happen!! protesting is ultimately a form of INaction. people that actully do things that matter are people of ACTION. jus my thought. holding up a sign and singing songs doesnt actually DO anything. the last thing this world needs is people standing around doing nothing.

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According to mc.xyz ...

A vote is a protest in a sense. U can either change things from the outside by throwing stones or be on the inside and change things imo.
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David Icke's genaeological research places them into either 2 bloodlines: Charlemagne and another King, I forget which...

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could you please source this statement andy?
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According to 4_.phrantek._4 ...


the vast majority (maybe all?) of our presidents to date have been related,
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Well, he didn't get Congressional approval for the war. He just went.

For the record, Executive Orders and Signing Statements BYPASS CHECKS AND BALANCES.

This administration has been carrying out GROSSLY unconstitutional activity for years.

Re: Medical Marijuana.
State law allows it. Federal law doesn't, although it's unconstitutional for them to rule on it. And the law enforcement of this state cooperates with the federal government to disregard state law. That's what happens every time there's a raid.

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George Bush could not take us to war on his own. He has to get approval on practically everything he does. This is what that whole checks and balances is all about.

Because of local politicians, some areas allow medical marijuana dispensaries, and some don’t.
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Protesting is STANDING AROUND DOING NOTHING?

Really?

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good points in this thread xyz--- this one especially! protesting is like yelling at a broken toaster, if you want it to work you f**king act to fix it. make s**t happen!! protesting is ultimately a form of INaction. people that actully do things that matter are people of ACTION. jus my thought. holding up a sign and singing songs doesnt actually DO anything. the last thing this world needs is people standing around doing nothing.

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lol@taking anything david icke says seriously

and for the most part any and all protesting ive seen lately in america has been people standing on the sides of streets with lawn chairs, and home made signs akin to wwf fans cheering for their favorite wrestler. now im not saying there hasnt been effective protests ever in history, but until i see you storming the white house and pentagon with an army of 100,000 militia ala V for Vendetta ill say that protesting is INaction.

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According to 4_.phrantek._4 ...

David Icke's genaeological research places them into either 2 bloodlines: Charlemagne and another King, I forget which...

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could you please source this statement andy?
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According to 4_.phrantek._4 ...


the vast majority (maybe all?) of our presidents to date have been related,
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David Icke was an investigative journalist. On what specific basis would you discount his genealogical research?

Fair enough on the protesting bit, for the most part (I've participated in protests here in LA and San Bernardino counties that were nothing like you describe). But you actually think voting is more like action than protesting? Even when electronic voting keeps looming?

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According to emu ...

lol@taking anything david icke says seriously

and for the most part any and all protesting ive seen lately in america has been people standing on the sides of streets with lawn chairs, and home made signs akin to wwf fans cheering for their favorite wrestler. now im not saying there hasnt been effective protests ever in history, but until i see you storming the white house and pentagon with an army of 100,000 militia ala V for Vendetta ill say that protesting is INaction.

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Well said, I was going to say the same.

I don't vote for president, but I do vote for local officials. Which as was said already, is really more important.

How many of you who spend your time voting for president so intensely also vote for your local government officials?



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I’ll give you more that one. The state of California is, for the most part a liberal state. Meaning, for President, the state will vote for a democrat, in staggering numbers compared to other states.

Electoral college- If McCain pulls in 2 million votes, and Obama pulls in 6 million, those extra 4 million votes go into the trash, all because of the Electoral College. Remember Bush lost to Gore in the popular vote. My vote doesn’t mean squat.

Money buys elections-There is such an emphasis on how much money is brought in for the election campaign. This means they can hire the best marketing people, and sell you on voting for them. More commercials mean more votes. It has nothing to do with qualification.

The system is broken- A voter can study up on the candidates, check their past votes in the senate, pay attention to the possibilities of who the candidate will likely put in their cabinet, and vote accordingly. But, some dip that has been brainwashed by pundits, and scared into voting by P Diddy stressing “Vote or Die” will vote one way, just because he or she seems cool. That means all that studying was for nothing, that voters vote has been cancelled out by some dip.

There are plenty more. Most importantly voters have no idea how politics work. Nor could they, it is such a complicated process that it would enlist a full time job just to comprehend everything.
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ps- i think its bullcrap that felons can't vote. just because they f'ed up, shouldn't take away their rights to vote. felon or not, they have a voice too. it's totally unfair and total b.s. imo

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cus a 2 time felon w/ a strike, good enough for you?
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david ickes the guy that think that theres reptile people controlling the world man-
but im sure you know that. but what im not sure of is if you know how uncredible or skepticism-worthy that makes any data or so called facts that come from him. pretty damn skeptical.

ya i vote for locals and correspond with them when they vote on things i have strong feelings about. i get regular updates on rorbacher and boxter and their votes and stuff and have written them both on issues i feel to be important. theyre real people ive talked to them, they arent reptile jews or mind controlling secret society people. you could have become a congressman you had all the opportunity to start a life of public service just like them but you didnt and fair play to you, but they did and so they have the power. fair play to them.

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what are David Icke's qualifications as a genaologist and do you have any corroborating sources



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According to 4_.phrantek._4 ...

David Icke's genaeological research places them into either 2 bloodlines: Charlemagne and another King, I forget which...

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According to broken_records ...

could you please source this statement andy?
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According to 4_.phrantek._4 ...


the vast majority (maybe all?) of our presidents to date have been related,
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David Icke's data is based on Howard Brooks Baker's work, I believe.

Corroborating source... Fritz Sprinmeier.

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what are David Icke's qualifications as a genaologist and do you have any corroborating sources