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this is a freaking cool comp for producers...

http://www.redbullcanmakemusic.com/

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I always enjoy things like this.. Good find!

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Yeah, but then you'd have to support Red Bull. Part of the reason America is so sick is because we put so much s**t in our bodies. Just say NO!

(If the contest wasn't for Red Bull i would TOTALLY be a part of it though - not trying to crap all over your post Dave, I'm just super passionate about health.)

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No biggie, thats how I feel about anything coca cola is involved in. There are ups and downs to almost everything now a days. I do think the Redbull Music Academy is one of the better things available to us as electronic musicians currently. Sucks that it originates from something so harmfull.

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Not trying to start a fight or anything.

I commend you for being health conscience, but do you guy's still smoke herb while being healthy?

I bring this up, because it kinda of disturbs me how some people condemn 1 thing, while doing something that is equally as bad.

This came from a discussion from a talk I have had with my GF when she talks s**t about what I eat, meanwhile she smokes ciggs like she is in front of a firing squad.

Just a random question.

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I am not very health conscious at all, I eat fatty and fried foods like they are going out of style. I just have beef with coke because they seem to own the world...lol

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fair enough. I was just wondering.

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hahah a sample your mcdonalds meal contest. hey for you protesters you could use a can of japanese green tea and say its red bull.
I almost want to use another type of soda can to f**k with them, submit , and win; and would it matter?

anyone hear about the bmx racer in australia who went into cardiac arrest from downing 8 redbulls? this was some time mid 07. bbc news.

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What Up DAVE! That intro reminded me of this Coldcut video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xGsA-RZftys

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smoking herb is different.

smoking is not good for you, but you can't compare smoking herb to cigs. cigarettes cause your heart to pump harder while constricting your blood vessels (nicotine is a vasoconstrictor), which increases your blood pressure. furthermore it changes the cellular structure of your avioli, destroying the cilia which ejects mucous from your tissues and back up your windpipe. eventually all the cilia is gone and they cannot remove any waste from your lungs. furthermore smoking cigarettes is extremely harmful for young men (youth to mid/late 20s) compared to women and has a tendency to cause neuropathy (deadening / damage to nerve tissues).

herb smoke kills abnormally proliferating cells (to be read as CANCEROUS CELLS). furthermore, your immune system is naturally equipped with cannabinoid receptors, which play a part in regulating CP2 function. this is why marijuana is a viable medicine. if you vape, you accumulate no tissue damage. the physical effects on the brain are unquantified because nobody has paid for the research. don't believe the FDA's or the government's hype. the reason they don't like pot is because it's cheap and natural and therefore totally useless in this disgusting pharmaceutical drug culture, which was pushed upon us by legislation penned by robber baron globalist assholes rockefeller and dale carnegie.

red bull is all around terrible because it's sugar (white sugar no less) and concentrated caffeine. plus whatever nasty carcinogen is connected to testicular or prostate cancer. and drinking energy drinks promotes early onset diabetes FAR quicker than regular sodas. constantly peaking-and-valleying your blood sugar levels does great harm to your kidneys and liver. tea has caffeine as well, obviously, but unlike coffee, it contains theophylline which is a vasodilator - this effectively cancels the harshness and negative effects of the caffeine, which explains why a tea buzz is much less jagged than a coffee buzz (plus tea will not permanently alter the chemistry of your stomach as coffee eventually does).

so yes, i talk s**t, but i also do my homework.



[ 4_.phrantek._4 - 17 Mar 2008 15:58 ]
[ 4_.phrantek._4 - 17 Mar 2008 15:55 ]

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Yeah you do . I'd play devils advocate just to see what this guy would say in response . You know his reply would be like half a page full of knowledge . Thanks for the info .

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always happy to share (or be the devil's advocate), especially because nobody knows this stuff, and that's a terrible and sad fact! the epa and fda consistently fail to protect us from a toxic environment and toxic food or to provide us with adequate (or any) information about related risks.

the least i can do is share what i've learned because of my love for humanity and my utter respect for the body, our sacred temple, which is a natural blessing.

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Very well said Mr Phrantek. However, I couldn't disagree with you more.

I can see the damage it has done to so many people, even myself. Now don't get me wrong, I LOVE smoking herb (even though I don't anymore, but I do miss it). And I have no problem with people smoking it, and I hope that it is even federally legalized one day soon.

#1 The memory loss is more than apparent. I don't need any study to tell me that my memory isn't as good as it used to be. One of my buddies memory has gotten so bad we have nicknamed him "The Fish" because his memory is just as short. He puts something down and 5 seconds later he can't remember where he put it, or what he was on his way to do with it.

This is almost a universal side effect, I notice almost all stoners have very extensive short term memory loss, and add up all the minutes and hours you spend trying to remember what you were doing, or where you put something, it turns out to be quite a lot.

#2 Motivation is probably where the damage is most apparent to me. However, this is different for everyone. I was a very functional stoner, for me weed was fuel for the fire. But having gone back and forth between smoking and being sober the difference is night and day. My creativity is way heightened when I am stoned, but my production is lowered significantly.

Being a graphic and web designer I have benefited greatly from my smoking days. The designs I push out are much better when I'm high than when I'm sober. But I put out about 5 times as much work when I'm sober. I also have 5 times the amount of money when I'm sober.

#3 Money is almost always an issue when I'm high. I usually live paycheck by paycheck when I'm stoned. When I'm sober I have money in the bank, new toys all the time, and I go on a lot more vacations.

Again this is different for many people, but I have noticed this same pattern in countless others as well. It also depends on the type of stoner you are. There are the kind that always have a fat sack of weed, and then others who just smoke everyone else's weed, I was the former. I always had a fat sack, and felt naked if I didn't.

Of course smoking weed isn't as bad as smoking ciggs, but it has its own side effects, that when added up do change your life.

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OMG guys... wasn't this about a red bull producer's competition?


*In Jerry Springer chant*
GO TO OPRAH! GO TO OPRAH!

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According to djaware ...

> Very well said Mr Phrantek. However, I couldn't disagree with you more.

I love debating! The game is afoot!

> I can see the damage it has done to so many people, even myself. Now don't get me wrong, I LOVE smoking herb (even though I don't anymore, but I do miss it). And I have no problem with people smoking it, and I hope that it is even federally legalized one day soon.

Great Keep supporting!

> #1 The memory loss is more than apparent.

Marijuana causes *short-term* memory loss, but not permanent short-term memory loss. Marinol (and its generic counterpart Drabinol), which is a synthetic form of marijuana and has exactly the same chemical structure, is indicated to actually IMPROVE cognition, rather than decrease it.

Given that food additives (specifically PRESERVATIVES) pickle your organs, literally eat away at them, and preservatives are prevalent in most of the food Americans eat, I would suggest this memory loss has to do with damage to physical brain tissue and nerves. Furthermore, only with a correct diet can we maintain proper chemical balances and keep brain function going. Personally, I have only increased my herbal intake over the years, yet my memory has gotten BETTER. So I would ask these questions:

1) What does your friend eat? and,
2) Does your friend smoke cigarettes?

If your friend eats foods that have these ingredients in the label:

anything Benzoate
"Spices"
MSG / Monosodium Glutamate
Carrageenan
"Natural Flavors"
Hydrolized anything
anything Isolate
Hydrogenated anything
partially-hydrogenated anything
"Propyl"-anything
high-fructose corn syrup

...then I would suggest he cut them out and see what effect it has on his memory. Plus, organic produce has four times the nutrient load of inorganic produce. So between organic and inorganic, serving sizes become absolutely worthless, invalidating the FDA food pyramid, which was already bulls**t; Harvard has released a new and VASTLY different one which is much more accurate and healthy. And if your friend eats fast food, it all breaks down into sugar - white buns, starchy fries, breaded patties, etc. - and what protein it has is like animal protein from livestock treated with growth hormones. If he eats red meat it sticks between the cilia of his digestive tract. When your organs are in this state, NOTHING really works properly - even your hearing and vision.

Understand I'm not ruling it out as a negative factor, it's just that I think people put way too much weight on it. There are so many other issues in which people are negligent with their bodies and what they put into them that it is a bit naive to assume this is related to one single thing.

> This is almost a universal side effect, I notice almost all stoners have very extensive short term memory loss, and add up all the minutes and hours you spend trying to remember what you were doing, or where you put something, it turns out to be quite a lot.

I find that people who are organized sober are organized stoned. Disorganized people are MUCH MORE disorganized stoned. In general this is the result of a certain sense of organization of THOUGHT PATTERNS more than anything else. A chaotic person is a chaotic person is a chaotic person.

> #2 Motivation is probably where the damage is most apparent to me. However, this is different for everyone. I was a very functional stoner, for me weed was fuel for the fire. But having gone back and forth between smoking and being sober the difference is night and day. My creativity is way heightened when I am stoned, but my production is lowered significantly.

Again, I would ask about your other health habits, including alcohol intake - there are many factors at play.

> Being a graphic and web designer I have benefited greatly from my smoking days. The designs I push out are much better when I'm high than when I'm sober. But I put out about 5 times as much work when I'm sober.

Perhaps I'm nitpicking, but I think this has to do with brain functionality.
"Work" is a left-brain activity. "Creation" is a right-brain activity. Pot stimulates your right brain: it influences the vividness of memories, affects perception of time; these ultimately affect the way you perceive the external world in relation to the internal, by relaxing some of the psychological barriers that divide us from the infinite. When I say that, I mean that at its core, everything is composed of electromagnetic energy.

universe -> galaxy -> solar system -> planet -> continent -> state -> YOU -> cells -> atoms -> nucleus -> electromagnetic energy

Thus we all have a personal electromagnetic field, essentially a matrix of energy vortices (also called chakras). These can be measured; all human reflect the properties of electromagnetic energy (i.e. voltage, resistance, etc.), which radiates from our bodies at key points - oddly enough, the chakra points, as for instance your crown chakra, which is at the top of your skull, is the point at which most heat energy (meaning a particular frequency range of electromagnetic energy) is lost.

Energy exists in all dimensions, which Quantum Physics now holds that there are 10 or 11. Thus, we are multidimensional beings with perception limitations that keep us rooted in three dimensional existence. Yet, the basis of our perceptions - the five senses - are not the only ones, as we can FEEL things not quantifiable by these senses. Getting stoned tends to make you pay attention more to these non-sense related feelings than the five senses, which are governed (quantified) by the left brain.

Do you see where I'm coming from? Does it make sense? I'm curious to know what people think.

> I also have 5 times the amount of money when I'm sober.

This is a money management issue, not a pot intake issue. Provided one budgets correctly and has enough assets to cover the amounts they wish to smoke, money shouldn't really be an issue. Of course, I'm a huge advocate of the book "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" - that explains my view.

> #3 Money is almost always an issue when I'm high. I usually live paycheck by paycheck when I'm stoned. When I'm sober I have money in the bank, new toys all the time, and I go on a lot more vacations.

Do you watch more TV when you're sober?

> Of course smoking weed isn't as bad as smoking ciggs, but it has its own side effects, that when added up do change your life.

I would argue that diet maintains much more weight in this area. Because the state of your organs - all organs, meaning brain, lungs, skin, digestive tract, etc. - depends on nutrition. Provided you maintain a healthy diet of vegetables, plant oils, nuts and legumes, a good balance of fruits, whole grains which constitute complete proteins, and a healthy water intake, AND take care not to pollute your body with horrible pharmaceutical drugs, you will be doing much more to preserve your physical and mental state long into your late years. "You are what you eat" - not what you smoke.

Curious to know your feedback. Should we take this private or is anyone else interested in us continuing this discussion here?

[ 4_.phrantek._4 - 19 Mar 2008 09:59 ]

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keep it here! i find this quite interesting.

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Something else to think about:

what is your pot grown with?

Is it outdoor, naturally grown stuff - or is it grown in a closet with UV lamps, synthetic plant foods, weird airflow, and other chemicals?

It's important to note that it will soak up all the toxins in its environment - including airborne, i.e. paint fumes, residue from cleaning supplies, etc. - it essentially follows the same toxicity risk patterns as any other kind of agriculture.

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make a new thread you guys totally hijacked this one....

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make a new thread you guys totally hijacked this one....
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Haha. We did, I suck. Sorry.

I think you make some great points Andy, but none the less, pot does have bad side effects to the human body.

Humans have the ability to feel the effects of Crack too, that doesn't mean we are meant to do it. I know we have THC receptors and whatnot, but any way you look at it the, effects more often than not tend to be negative on the human body.

To those who can smoke it and not have to deal with the side effects, more power to you, but for most of the people out there, it can be quite damaging.

How bout this, do you have any younger siblings? Would you want them to start smoking herb? I have 2 younger sisters, and 1 younger brother, and i absolutely do not want them to ever smoke herb.

Again, if you can smoke it, and not have to deal with the negative side effects, great! But overall it tends to be more on the negative than the positive. As far as I'm concerned you can's count relationships and situations that you have experience because of herb as a positive effect.

Almost all of my closest best friends I met because of smoking herb, I experience some crazy nights because of herb, and that was great and all but the negative far outweighs the positive.

Anyway, thats the end of my rant. I'm not talking s**t on anyone for smoking. Hell I wish I could still smoke without the repercussions, but alas, with owning my business and working from home, smoking only hurts me and I had to give it up. My bank thanks me though.

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According to djaware ...

> I think you make some great points Andy, but none the less, pot does have bad side effects to the human body.

It has side effects, for sure. I would suggest that, if used badly, it will have bad effects. Too many people use it to escape - getting trashed is an escape from something. Using any drug for that purpose should have a negative psychological effect; this is common sense to me. Did Native Americans take peyote just to get f**ked up? Certainly not.

I think the big issue I had with what you are saying is that you were saying pot is necessarily harmful. Ultimately I question that on the basis that it has ever been those who have, ignorantly or with full knowledge, always harmed us MOST who tell us that pot is bad for us.

Of course, defense services monitor and have a list of who is and is not allowed to bring drugs into this country. Therefore our health is obviously not the government's motive. (If you want to know how I know that, let's discuss it in private.)

And the American Association of Neurosurgeons (I believe - if it's not that one, it's another national organization for neurosurgeons) agree that it's not bad for you. I've watched a lot of documentaries and read a LOT of quantified, "scientifically sound" clinical research on both sides. There's a lot of hype in both directions. When it comes down to it, people are simply misinformed.

> Humans have the ability to feel the effects of Crack too, that doesn't mean we are meant to do it. I know we have THC receptors and whatnot, but any way you look at it the, effects more often than not tend to be negative on the human body.

Seriously, what way are you looking at it? Your immune system does not have crack receptors. Smoking may not be good for your body, but pot has no recorded negative medical effects not associated with smoking. The government propagandist who was paid for 30 years to provide research to the public detailing the evils of marijuana has openly refuted his own life's work. Furthermore, all of the research linking marijuana with birth defects and the majority of the rest determining that it is harmful TOTALLY IGNORES CONCURRENT HARD DRUG USAGE. As far as I'm concerned, liquor is a hard drug, and it has been proven to destroy brain tissue. Seriously, I do my homework, I understand how the research works, and the conclusion that is harmful does not add up.

My statement that we have cannabinoid receptors should strike you as pretty unique if you know about the hypothalamus. It produces small chain chemical sequences which essentially control our mood. Our cells have receptor sites for each of these different chemicals, which trigger particular cell functions. Thus, emotions can be seen as a physiological state induced (triggered) by these chemicals. The immune response works exactly the same way and can be triggered by its own set of chemicals (i.e. cannabinoids). Pot is viable medicine because it is cheap and proven effective for people with an incredible breadth of diseases and disorders. The fact that it gets you high is, in this context, completely beside the point to me.

> How bout this, do you have any younger siblings? Would you want them to start smoking herb?

I have none. But I have a younger cousin who is like a sister to me, and I would support whatever she chose. I think everyone should be able to smoke herb, but we should have access to the correct information so we can make informed personal decisions, just as we can with cigarettes and alcohol, which are more seriously linked to epidemic health issues.

When I have kids someday, I will be frank in my discussion of drugs with them, urge them to avoid synthetics, and let them know that natural drugs can be both therapeutic and spiritual as well as psychologically harmful if they are not prepared. I would not advise them to use any, but if they were curious about drugs I know not to be harmful, I would maintain an open mind and likely provide them with a safe place to do it, in lieu of a public place with risk involved which could develop into a negative psychological factor in the experience.

> I have 2 younger sisters, and 1 younger brother, and i absolutely do not want them to ever smoke herb.

We all have the right to make our own choices, just as we have the right to our own opinions.

> Again, if you can smoke it, and not have to deal with the negative side effects, great! But overall it tends to be more on the negative than the positive.

You say that a lot because of surface observation and personal experience. I think that's valid to an extent. I just wonder what exactly you think pot does to your body. If you're going to rely on a scientific basis to suggest that pot is quantifiably bad for you, I'd love to know exactly how. As someone with a personal passion for disseminating information to help people, it would help me if you could show me or explain in detail.

> As far as I'm concerned you can's count relationships and situations that you have experience because of herb as a positive effect.

I'm not entirely sure what you meant here - if you were saying that any benefit I've come by because of herb is invalid, I would suggest that herb has had little effect on my social life. However, it has had dramatic personal effect - by creating a quiet I've never experienced with anything else. My chaos has always been internal, and it soothes my tendency to overanalyze and inundate myself with sense data. It has not stunted my motivation but rather focused it where it was scattered before. I have seen exactly the same pattern with other people who smoke frequently and drink or do other drugs infrequently or not at all.

> Almost all of my closest best friends I met because of smoking herb, I experience some crazy nights because of herb, and that was great and all but the negative far outweighs the positive.

My goal with herb has never really been to have a crazy night. More than anything, it centers me and helps my creativity flow. Maybe that has something to do with it too.

> Anyway, thats the end of my rant. I'm not talking s**t on anyone for smoking. Hell I wish I could still smoke without the repercussions, but alas, with owning my business and working from home, smoking only hurts me and I had to give it up. My bank thanks me though.

I'm glad you found something that works for you. Like anything else, pot isn't for everyone.

But I still think you're not giving it a fair "shake" hahhaa

I know you'll probably never see eye-to-eye with me on this, and I wouldn't dream of imposing my viewpoint. I just want you to understand that I've come to my conclusions based on very strict assumptions of what is healthy and who is truthful as well as my increasingly in-depth personal knowledge of how the body works and what effects various things have on us. It's not because I smoke and I'm trying to find a way to justify it. I will never believe what I learned in elementary school. I have already consummately disproved, to my satisfaction, all that I learned there - especially the godawful notion that socialization in that context with other children is necessary.

[ 4_.phrantek._4 - 27 Mar 2008 12:51 ]

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Again, some great points man. And I most certainly am not trying to impose my views on smoking herb on anyone else either. 85% of my friends still smoke and I don't get down on them for doing so. In fact I never open my mouth about the matter.

I also am not trying to cite any scientific evidence about the effects of herb on the human body, just my personal and observed experience.

The problem with speaking on scientific "facts" is that 5 years later everything that was good for you, is now bad for you and vice versa. I.E. eggs were supposedly terribly for you in the late 80's early 90's then they were good for you. Hell, even the solar system having 9 planets isn't even correct any more. Aren't scientists saying that Pluto is now a moon (sattelite) and not a planet?

So yea, I try to avoid scientific facts when possible.

I am interested in hearing more about your views on the noticeable short term memory loss. As stated before I don't really believe what the scientists say about it. I would like to hear your personal opinions.

Maybe it all comes down to the amount of smoking you actually do. Just like they say in "Half Baked" there are all different kinds of stoners. I was a functional, yet very heavy user. An 1/8th a day of the best kush to my head wasn't unusual for me at all.

And no I wasn't saying any benefits you experienced weren't valid. A benefit by definition is a positive thing, so if you have benefited from it, then I'm glad for you. I was more saying that for me, some of the benefits that I experienced weren't equal to the side effects I experienced.

One of the funniest things about this debate, is I can't even say for sure that I won't be smoking again. Even though I know and believe all of the negative side effects that I experience and have talked about in our little talk here. I love being high, I love the act of smoking, I love the community of hanging around with my friends and smoking.

Ya know what would be a cool forum for JS? A debate forum. And at the top have a poll that people could vote on which side they agree with most. So many of the threads here turn into a debate anyway.

I guess my next stop is the suggestions forum to add this to the topics.

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> According to djaware ...

> Again, some great points man. And I most certainly am not trying to impose my views on smoking herb on anyone else either. 85% of my friends still smoke and I don't get down on them for doing so. In fact I never open my mouth about the matter.

I'm glad you're opening your mouth about it now! Always fun to share.

> I also am not trying to cite any scientific evidence about the effects of herb on the human body, just my personal and observed experience.

I see! Well, you can probably break down your personal and observed experience into a rough but accurate scientific equation, provided you include the correct factors and apply the correct weight to each. Ultimately, I think we would probably agree on a lot of things if we were looking at the same criteria. Environmental factors are the primary ones in the degradation of the body and tissues; we absorb and process pollution from the soil via the crops we eat (pesticides, heavy metal and barium salt residues from chemtrail spraying, etc.), which may also be synthetically genetically modified (i.e. adjusting the genes of the species vs. cross-breeding). We drink water loaded with giardia, cysts, cryptospiridia, rocket fuel components (I believe perchlorate is one of these and has appeared in the breast milk of up to 93% of test groups), mercury (rising levels are likely due to dentists - among other industries - flushing mercury amalgam down their pipes, which goes directly out to sea), arsenic, sodium fluoride (which is NOT healthy for you), sex hormones (we eat them and piss them out, they go into the water, the water eventually goes back into us), etc. As Americans, we eat ridiculous amounts of preservatives. We also eat large amounts of meat (90% of the world's red meat is consumed here) which is, unless otherwise labeled, loaded with hormones like rBST or rGBH and the small-chain chemicals produced by the hypothalamus that cause a physiological response (emotion) similar to fear (i.e. anxiety, sweats, physical discomfort), and breaks down to toxic plaques in your intestinal tract that usually lead to cancer and other harmful conditions. We smoke lots of cigarettes, which actually kill more people from heart disease than from cancer. We take pharmaceuticals for EVERYTHING, which destroys our liver and in many cases causes irreparable harm to our bodies (the side effects should give you some indication that you shouldn't be doing them...); we take antibiotics for too much, when we shouldn't take them AT ALL (anti-biotic means anti-life, and antibiotics kill naturally occurring intestinal and systemic flora as well as bad bacteria), and they also end up in our water supply, and thereby our food...

There is so much more I can say. But in short, we live toxic lives from every possible angle. I would love to tell you about this in detail if we have some time to talk about this in person. It all adds up to an incredible weight for the body system to bear, which in turn breaks down the functionality of all parts and damages the communications processes between different parts.

> The problem with speaking on scientific "facts" is that 5 years later everything that was good for you, is now bad for you and vice versa. I.E. eggs were supposedly terribly for you in the late 80's early 90's then they were good for you.

I understand your point of view. However, you shouldn't write off a proven source of information just because special interest groups have chosen to fund only research with particular outcomes as opposed to unbiased ones. What you are talking about is the result of lobbying groups with very strong interest in maintaining consumer demand for their product; when the government has subsidized the industry that produces such products, such as agriculture, it is expected that they have a profit motive.

> Hell, even the solar system having 9 planets isn't even correct any more. Aren't scientists saying that Pluto is now a moon (sattelite) and not a planet?

They are. However, again, this is another government-funded body that is selective about the information that is released. Let me tell you something. All this hullaballoo about climate change you may be hearing about - it is twisted (I work with an environmental consultant and I have made my own conclusions). Climate change is a naturally occurring phenomenon. Global warming is BULLSHIT. While we are increasing the pace of climate change, global warming is ACTUALLY a phenomenon that is happening concurrently on ALL PLANETS at present. NASA knows the temperature of all planets. So, if this information is documented, but there's still more DISinformation around than anything, why aren't they trying to clear it up? Because it's in their best interests not to, that's why.

That doesn't debunk science. That debunks the idea that our government is truthful. The egg thing was a bit confusing for most. Essentially, the issue is that yolks are high in cholesterol. This is based on the western standard process of checking blood levels to determine if someone has an illness. This is faulty.

Cholesterol was thought universally bad for a while. However, there is good and bad cholesterol, just as there is good (naturally saturated and unsaturated) and bad (trans) fat. Trans fat occurs when you unnaturally saturate fatty acids; this creates a synthetic (double) chemical bond between the molecules which, although EXTREMELY tasty, is very difficult for your body to break down; the double bond is difficult or impossible to metabolize, and so these tend to "stack" in your arteries (leading to atherosclerosis; think of trans fats as stacks of Legos that interlock with each other in your veins and you'll get an idea). The others are small chains and break down so they do not interlock or stack. In eggs, the cholesterol & fat that is there actually helps you to digest the protein.

When you fry eggs (or anything), you saturate the fats, making them trans fats. So eggs can still be harmful. The trick is to find the facts and make your own assumptions. Big Brother is always happy to make them for you in a negative way to keep the public worried or in abject fear of something.

> So yea, I try to avoid scientific facts when possible.

I'd recommend throwing in the caveat that you avoid it, or at least view it skeptically, when it's funded strictly by the government as opposed to the public. If you have a broader understanding of the issues and factors involved in the research, or are willing to do your homework, science is a great key to knowledge - albeit not the only one.

> I am interested in hearing more about your views on the noticeable short term memory loss. As stated before I don't really believe what the scientists say about it. I would like to hear your personal opinions.

Happy to share! Here goes:
Long term memory loss has to do with the degradation of tissues. Short term memory "loss" has to do with the way the brain works, although in this case, I would suggest that it's not so much loss as a transmission error. Information enters the right hemisphere of the our cerebral cortex and is stored there briefly until it is essentially pushed into the left brain, which governs (empirical) memory. When stoned, your right brain is more active of its own accord than with respect to the left hemisphere. Therefore, what you learn while high may never transmit to the left hemisphere - or it may become implanted deep in your subconscious, which is what happens when you watch television (left side is passive, no judgment activated; media streams directly into your right brain, passes automatically into the paleomammalian structure, and then moves into the reptilian brain).

It is also interesting to note this interesting property, which pertains to the way memory works:

Try to remember one of your most clear memories. Think of the smells, the unique visuals associated. Memories of intense pain are often quite clear. The reason you remember certain things vividly is often due to the intensity of other sense data that is intertwined directly into the normal flow of your thoughts. Sense data augments and reinforces the clarity of memory. Therefore, if you were high and did something that involved the activation of the senses, what would happen is that you would be able to remember it more clearly based on its association with sense data. In this case the senses would actually push the short-term memory into long-term country. Neat, eh?

> Maybe it all comes down to the amount of smoking you actually do. Just like they say in "Half Baked" there are all different kinds of stoners. I was a functional, yet very heavy user. An 1/8th a day of the best kush to my head wasn't unusual for me at all.

I can see why it was so heavily affecting your bank account! Yow!

> And no I wasn't saying any benefits you experienced weren't valid. A benefit by definition is a positive thing, so if you have benefited from it, then I'm glad for you. I was more saying that for me, some of the benefits that I experienced weren't equal to the side effects I experienced.

Understood. It was just written a little unclearly - I gotcha now.

> One of the funniest things about this debate, is I can't even say for sure that I won't be smoking again. Even though I know and believe all of the negative side effects that I experience and have talked about in our little talk here.

I hear you. Well, of all "drugs", I think it's healthy to have your viewpoint about pot. Maybe we shouldn't all be doing it as much as we do, maybe we should be doing it more. There's a lot of compelling research on the pro side done by people in medicine with a passion for healing - I've actually read a study showing that the human body will actually be healthier with a reasonable and frequent intake of marijuana than strictly without. I'm sure there are caveats there, but it's pretty wild to think - and I can see how that would be true, in my case. Oddly enough, my physique has improved, as has my memory (not to mention it helps me eat and sleep regularly! ;D); but my tendency to rely on my left brain has abated. Whether that is positive or negative is debatable, but I am less preoccupied with "what ifs" and more with "what IS" when I'm high - and I would definitely call that positive!

> I love being high, I love the act of smoking, I love the community of hanging around with my friends and smoking. Ya know what would be a cool forum for JS? A debate forum. And at the top have a poll that people could vote on which side they agree with most. So many of the threads here turn into a debate anyway.

Seriously. I'd love that! I get so high off of sharing information - I feel like I was meant to be a sage in a lot of regards.

> I guess my next stop is the suggestions forum to add this to the topics.

That would be awesome. I hope it works! I'd contribute on the daily.