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Reason 4.0

So i need to move on? I talked to Matt from concord dawn and he claims that Logistics uses or at some point used reason...

You can hear my s**t at myspace to hear what im getting out of the program.

Criticism highly appreciated.

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Re: Reason 4.0

i used to use reason, until i talkd to someone and said that reason output is 12 bit. its a 16 bit program but 4 bits were used for the visual processing. i hav not confirmd this, but it makes sense to me. i never felt that reason gave me the sounds i was lookin for. it always had that "reason sound". rewiring and eq'in will deff bring bak some of the loss, but once u lose those bits they r gone. i now use pro tools and it is a world of difference in my opinion.
ur tunes sound great though, i think if you move to different program you will c what im talkin about and get the sound ur lookin for.

Re: Reason 4.0

Bah... lots of big producers use Reason still. I know what you mean about snappier drum hits and punchier bass tho. In Reason, it's all about layering layering layering. Also helps if you EQ each drum using Redrum out to a two band EQ. I'd like to exchange some tricks sometime. Check out my stuff on www.myspace.com/Kinith . Maybe we can collab on a project. Don't let the reason haters get you down!

Re: Reason 4.0

sequence in reason

mix in a different DAW


BOOM big sounds



if your comp allows it use reason at 24 882 or 24 96 DURP!

Re: Reason 4.0

ProTools & Rewire son...BOOM, done, game over....

Ableton, Reason, Acid, etc...all run great via rewire and you can use Ableton as a VST host to get all the VST synths you can think of (or your system will support) to run thru into your ProTools rig...

If you have an HD rig, you're in like Flynn, granted most of us don't have $100K floatin around to buy the HD cards, the IO Sync, the quad core Mac w/ 8GB RAM, the Icon or Control24 controller (or analog boards like Neve, SSL, etc) and a pair of Genelec Near-Fields with custom Auschbergers as your mains...

Digi are bastards for making us upgrade and be so damn hardware dependent, but for sonic quality, if you're not using PT or Logic Pro, coupled with some outboard signal processing, your s**t is amateur and straight demo status and should never be called a completed record. (that's not to say that some great stuff can't be accomplished w/o, but by today's commercial standards, go big or go home).

So invest in either a ProTools RTAS or Logic Pro system, get Waves Diamond bundle for majority of your signal processing in the box, a nice Avalon mic pre, a good set of EQs, vintage compressors and something like an Alesis MasterLink to dump into and you will be able to comp with a majority of major label studios...

Or...if you can't do all of that....just save your cash up, write all of your basic s**t and take the raw tracks to a studio that DOES have the gear mentioned above and have a qualified audio engineer do the job for you so you can be sure to get the best quality for your efforts...

Re: Reason 4.0

i moved on from reason back when it was version 2 but what you said about the 12 bits is totally wrong.. in fact it doesnt even make sense. the 16 bits you are reffereing to have nothing to do with graphics at all. in fact i 'm pretty sure in reason 4 you can run up to 24 bit 96khz audio if you want... as far as the sound engine, the problem lies in the summing routine of the mixer module. the algorithm used to sum the tracks together has always been lacking... that bieng said, i have heard good things from people about reason 4 being a major improvement of the sound engine (tho i have not heard it myself so this is purely hearsay)

also i will point out that a lot of major producers do use reason... i know more than a few radio hip hop tracks that were done all in reason and then striped out and mixed in protools... i also have heard a few really dope idm/experimental artists that freak the s**t out of reason... i guess my point is that if you know what you're doing then it doesnt really matter what program you are using... you can do some dope s**t. i think a lot of times poeple put too much on equipment or software or plugins instead of working on songwriting and producing techniques... find gear you are comfortable with and just make some music!

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We do that same thing. We write music in reason 4.0 and then strip it in Ableton to beef up the quality. I love Reason 4.0 to behonest. I've use REason4.0/ Ableton but mostley Reason 4.0 and find out that I can get most of what I need from it. I'm not big on logic or Cubase but thats just me.

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I'm working on up grading to 4.0
Heard tonz of great reviews on it also. I am having a great time with Reason 3.0 and looking to get more seriouse. Still don't have a clue on rewiring and all that stuff..LOL

Here is a track i finished a few weeks ago, just came straight out of reason 3.0

EROS
http://www.musicv2.com/listen.php?m=51058

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i can agree with the algorythms used and the summing being the problem.
bits are still used for video processing. IMO, why go through all that work of rewiring and eq'in, trying to get back what has been lost when u dont have to. Starting with the best possible sounds is a much more efficient way of workin. this is all in my opinion, take it for what u will.

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Reason is an amazing program. It has a very fast workflow and allows you to get your ideas down very quickly. If you worried about sound engine issues, it can be rewired to a number of top of the line sequencers including cubase.... When rewired, the sound engine is completely bypassed and uses the host sequencers engine.

As always, it's the end product that matters, not what path you took to get there. Many pro producers use more than one program\sequencer\vst's to make their beats.... use what you love out of each program, and disregard the rest.

Re: Reason 4.0

I think Trench just put the best possible reply.

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Been to a Reason users convention...Propellarhead themself says to acheive that "Profesional" sound.. you gotsta Rewire!!!!!

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There are loads of producers using nothing but Reason. Don't get caught up thinking that you can't make awesome sounding tunes because you don't have a specific piece of software or hardware. Figure out how to use what you have to achieve the sounds you are looking for. A lot of times people's tracks sound like s**t because they don't take advantage of the effects within Reason. EQ all of your insturments, choose a proper frequency range for each sound. Use the scream and advanced reverb and put a mastering suite combinator between the audio out and your main mixer. Fuck with it until it sounds right.

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hell yeah..if you actually paid for reason..you get access to the propellarhead website..lots of refill downloads on there for free..one of them is a mastering patch for the combinator mastering suite..does wonders..and like he said EQ EQ EQ!!!!

you can get good sound out of reason alone but still Rewiring as far as I know cant hurt



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There are loads of producers using nothing but Reason. Don't get caught up thinking that you can't make awesome sounding tunes because you don't have a specific piece of software or hardware. Figure out how to use what you have to achieve the sounds you are looking for. A lot of times people's tracks sound like s**t because they don't take advantage of the effects within Reason. EQ all of your insturments, choose a proper frequency range for each sound. Use the scream and advanced reverb and put a mastering suite combinator between the audio out and your main mixer. Fuck with it until it sounds right.
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[ djohmen - 2 Sep 2008 21:02 ]

Re: Reason 4.0

A real stupid question, can someone give me a quick rundown on how to link Cubase up with Reason? I can't seem to make the two programs communicate. In Ableton it simply has a dropdown menu that you can choose say "Reason track 1"
Am I missing something? I'd really be able to up my game if I could incorporate the redrum and Thor all up in my Cubase tunes. Thanks in advance.

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Start off with Reason Closed.. Open Cubase..Start a new Project..Go to Devices where the VST instrument menu is..Choose Reason..A box will pop up where you will select how many channels you want..Then you open Reason..When you add instruments in Reason instead of connecting them to the main mixer you connect them to that Midi sound Rewire thing that is at the very top of the Rack in Reason...If you have something already made in Reason when you open it, it will play as is..but if you want to start making changes,then you will have to unplug it from the main mixer and plug it into that Rewire box at the top of the Rack..
If you still have trouble..look up Reason Cubase Rewire on youtube..




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A real stupid question, can someone give me a quick rundown on how to link Cubase up with Reason? I can't seem to make the two programs communicate. In Ableton it simply has a dropdown menu that you can choose say "Reason track 1"
Am I missing something? I'd really be able to up my game if I could incorporate the redrum and Thor all up in my Cubase tunes. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Reason 4.0

^^ the top rack is called the hardware interface



STEP - try this, those directions are good above but here's an extra piece. when you open cubase, open reason, click devices -> reason and turn on the L&R. it will pop up L&R in cubase. Here's what I do... well I only use reason for basses mainly but I make a mixer and let that plug into 1 & 2 on the hardware interface.. but I dont plug anything into it. I just let the mixer basically hold that stereo input. Does it matter? I doubt it but it helps me remember haha Then I make an NNXT and link the left output to 3 on the interface. Go into cubase > devices > reason and click 3. Now the 3rd channel of reason will pop up in cubase and you can put effects and all that on there.

Now to control thru cubase so you dont have to switch back and forth by using the sequencer in reason and cubase.. i just make a midi channel in cubase, click the out to NNXT(1) or whatever it is im using, and bam. its like using reason instruments as vsts. I can freak that NNXT 16 ways to sunday so Im still using that as my sampler instead of kontakt. you can do this any instrument in reason.

Re: Reason 4.0

Sweet, thanks guyth.

Re: Reason 4.0

Rewiring definitely will not hurt!

Re: Reason 4.0

I got it to work but it has some serious delay/latency stuff going on.

Re: Reason 4.0

Try altering your buffer settings. If you've got a lot of other stuff running, turn it off. And if it's still too slow, bounce short segments of your rewired audio and drop it into your host sequencer on an audio track.

Most host sequencers also have a setting called "automated delay compensation" or something similar that you can use to bypass issues like this. Inherent problem with it is, unfortunately, that it eats CPU cycles. If you can use a common external clock, that might help.

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I got it to work but it has some serious delay/latency stuff going on.
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Re: Reason 4.0

I just bought 4.0 upgrade this week! Haven't had a chance to install yet.

Re: Reason 4.0

Rewire right?


Go Device > VST connections > Change the sound card to ASIO

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I got it to work but it has some serious delay/latency stuff going on.
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Re: Reason 4.0

THOR IS A MADMAN!! Just tried it for the first time.